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Post by pokken » 10 months ago

Cavalier of Dawn makes her look pretty bad. Coulda been much bigger and had a keyword and still been worse.

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Post by tstorm823 » 10 months ago

pokken wrote:
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Cavalier of Dawn makes her look pretty bad. Coulda been much bigger and had a keyword and still been worse.
To be fair, Cavalier of Dawn is pretty baller.
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Post by pokken » 10 months ago

Truth

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Post by umtiger » 10 months ago

I'm sure being a common and Limited Format considerations is also a big factor.

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Post by toctheyounger » 10 months ago

Fiery Emancipation. Sweet zombie Jesus, triple. For r more than Gratuitous Violence. Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded wants it bad.
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Post by plushpenguin » 10 months ago

Fiery Emancipation. Three words for it.

Terrible terrible damage.

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Post by darrenhabib » 10 months ago

A pretty compact win package for Red:
Goblin Recruiter gets Conspicuous Snoop, any Goblin, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker.

The trick is that you can make infinite Conspicuous Snoop with Kiki-Jiki on top of Library but they'll all be tapped.
So you want to do the infinite at the end of turn just before your turn so they'll all be untapped to attack with. That means stacking an alternative Goblin so that its not directly on top, otherwise you'll have summoning sickness through Kiki-Jiki being your top card.

Alternatively if you want a heavier Goblin package that wins on the spot, I've come up with..
Goblin Recruiter gets Conspicuous Snoop, Skirk Prospector, Goblin Bushwhacker, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Mogg Fanatic.
You'll need rrrr to get this combo going, rr for the Conspicuous Snoop and r for Skirk Prospector.
Then you can sacrifice Goblin Recruiter for r and cast Goblin Bushwhacker kicked to give Conspicuous Snoop haste so that you don't have to worry about summoning sickness.
Because you can get infinite Goblins, that means infinite mana, and you can just eventually cast Kiki-Jiki and then sacrifice all the Conspicuous Snoop with Mogg Fanatic activated ability as its on top of library.

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Post by Serenade » 10 months ago

Nothing is going to feel as red as flashbacking Firecat Blitz then activating Soubira, Caravaneer of the Tulzidi's discard ability during your Final Fortune turn.
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Post by DirkGently » 10 months ago

@darrenhabib Might I recommend that the goblin you stack between snoop and jiki be Torch Courier? T4 win, or T3 with fast mana.

Alternatively, stack up snoop → torch courier → Kyren Legate (probably better alternatives but just something cheap) → Dark-Dweller Oracle → jiki → mogg fanatic.

play snoop, courier, legate, sac recruiter and legate to exile the top 2 cards, then courier gives snoop haste while jiki is on top, make infinite snoops, then once jiki is exiled sac them for infinite damage. Total of 5 mana, plus the two for recruiter. So could go off T2 with, say, gemstone caverns and seething song.

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Post by darrenhabib » 10 months ago

DirkGently wrote:
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darrenhabib Might I recommend that the goblin you stack between snoop and jiki be Torch Courier? T4 win, or T3 with fast mana.

Alternatively, stack up snoop → torch courier → Kyren Legate (probably better alternatives but just something cheap) → Dark-Dweller Oracle → jiki → mogg fanatic.

play snoop, courier, legate, sac recruiter and legate to exile the top 2 cards, then courier gives snoop haste while jiki is on top, make infinite snoops, then once jiki is exiled sac them for infinite damage. Total of 5 mana, plus the two for recruiter. So could go off T2 with, say, gemstone caverns and seething song.
OK, well you can combo with only rr in theory with your suggestions, although it would rely on opponent having a Plains.

Goblin Recruiter gets Conspicuous Snoop, Skirk Prospector, Kyren Legate, Torch Courier, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Mogg Fanatic.

Because Conspicuous Snoop has Skirk Prospector ability, you sacrifice Goblin Recruiter to be able to cast the Skirk Prospector.
You can cast the Kyren Legate for free so that you can sacrifice it to have enough mana to cast the Torch Courier.

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Post by DirkGently » 10 months ago

Right, idk why I forgot about just casting the prospector. For some reason I was stuck thinking you could only have one activated ability available at a given time.

Yeah that's pretty insane tbh. Wouldn't be surprised if that becomes a thing in legacy. Wait...recruiter is banned in legacy, nvm lol.

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Post by Outcryqq » 10 months ago

darrenhabib wrote:
10 months ago
A pretty compact win package for Red:
Goblin Recruiter gets Conspicuous Snoop, any Goblin, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker.

The trick is that you can make infinite Conspicuous Snoop with Kiki-Jiki on top of Library but they'll all be tapped.
So you want to do the infinite at the end of turn just before your turn so they'll all be untapped to attack with. That means stacking an alternative Goblin so that its not directly on top, otherwise you'll have summoning sickness through Kiki-Jiki being your top card.
-snip-
I'm pretty dense when it comes to combos, but wouldn't this not work because the Conspicuous Snoop only has activated (emphasis added) abilities of the top of the library? Therefore, any copies of snoop lack haste, and can't then be tapped to use the snoop-kiki ability?
Edit: I'm just as dense as I thought - the tokens have haste via Kiki's ability! Sorry.

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Post by Hermes_ » 10 months ago

Garruk, Unleashed combos with doubling season...obvious statement is obvious lol
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Post by toctheyounger » 10 months ago

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Post by DirkGently » 10 months ago

This set's planeswalkers:

John, unchained
Liz, heart of fire
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Post by pokken » 10 months ago

Pretty easy cut dispel.

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Post by Mookie » 10 months ago

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Every Blue cEDH deck is going to try and find a slot for Miscast.
Are they? It looks like a more narrow Swan Song to me. Not that it's bad, but there is competition already. Flusterstorm also competes for the slot. I haven't played enough cEDH to know whether decks want more of this effect though.

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Post by darrenhabib » 10 months ago

Mookie wrote:
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darrenhabib wrote:
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Every Blue cEDH deck is going to try and find a slot for Miscast.
Are they? It looks like a more narrow Swan Song to me. Not that it's bad, but there is competition already. Flusterstorm also competes for the slot. I haven't played enough cEDH to know whether decks want more of this effect though.
I just did a breakdown of all the Blue cEDH decks. 74 decks in total.
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Urza Powered Scepter - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
High Tide Jace - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Baral Control - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Fblthp - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
High Tide Azami - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Master Flicker - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Kefnet Turns - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Chain Veil Teferi - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Emry - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Brago Stax - Swan Song
Lavinia Omen Pool - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Taigam Turns - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
GAAIV Control - Swan Song
Circu Lantern Isoreversal - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Oona Consultation - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Yuriko Doomsday Oracle - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Sygg Draw-Go - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Niv-Mizzet Parun Control - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Jhoira Stax Storm - Swan Song
Rielle Discard Storm - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Vannifar - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Edric Turns - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce
Rashmi Control - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Toothy Storm - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Uro Scepter - Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Momir Hackball - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Tatyova Lands - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Kinnan Scepter - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Zur Storm - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Aminatou Consultation - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Grixis Consultation - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Kess Storm - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Grixis Twin - Swan Song
Inalla Wizard Combo - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Derevi Stax - Swan Song
Chulane - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Elsha Top - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Divergent Kykar - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Kykar Underworld Storm - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Brallin Curiosity - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Tasigur Control - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Muldrotha Midrange - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Yarok Aluren Alarm - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
SBT Layered Combo - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
BUG Scepter - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Freed Zaxara - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Food Chain Ukkima - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Harvest Animar - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Pako Midrange - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Temur Food Chain - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Curious Control - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Yidris Storm - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Thrasios/Vial Oracle - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Blue Pod - Swan Song
Thrasios/Bruse Tarl Evolution - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Razakats - Swan Song
Scepter Thrasios - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Consult Raza Thrasios - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Midrange T&T Consultation - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Thrasios Tymna Hermit Druid - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Thrasios Tymna Protean Hulk - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Opus Thief - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Blue Farm - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
T&K Bearweaver - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Tymna Kraum Divergent - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Freeze Thief - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Breya Consultation - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Najeela Tempo - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Food Chain Sliver - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
Scion Reanimator - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Kenrith Consultation - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
5 Color Storm - Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, Swan Song
5 Color Thieves - Flusterstorm, Swan Song
Sisay Tutor Chains - Swan Song
This post is basically doing an evaluation for myself to see actually where Miscast might fit into the picture.
Swan Song features in literally every Blue deck except for Edric Turns as they don't want to give opponent a creature.
Flusterstorm features in 65/74 = 88%
Spell Pierce is really the variant of the decks featuring in 15/74 = 20%.

So for me there are two questions here.
Decks that do run Spell Pierce, are they going to play Miscast as well as, or would it be a replacement?
Decks that don't run Spell Pierce, would they consider Miscast?

I personally run Spell Pierce in my cEDH decks, so I do rate the card more highly than other people (according to this breakdown). So for me personally Miscast is going to make a lot of my cEDH decks.

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Post by Yatsufusa » 10 months ago

First the death trigger changes allows me to have a easier time to sac Ryusei, the Falling Star, recast and sac again for 40 as long as I had Repercussion and Furnace of Rath/Dictate of the Twin Gods without having to need Grim Lavamancer/Relic of Progenitus.

Now with Fiery Emancipation, I don't even need to recast, 45 to the dome as long as they all had a non-flying creature. Or I could just 117 Blasphemous Act per creature...
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Post by Hermes_ » 10 months ago

DirkGently wrote:
10 months ago
This set's planeswalkers:

John, unchained
Liz, heart of fire
Amy, waker of the dead
Joe, master of time
Bob....Jones.
reading that made me think of this :
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Post by Hermes_ » 10 months ago

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Now with Fiery Emancipation,
how does this interact with Purphoros, God of the Forge? One of the decks in our meta is/was a norin ping you to death.
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Post by Yatsufusa » 10 months ago

Hermes_ wrote:
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how does this interact with Purphoros, God of the Forge? One of the decks in our meta is/was a norin ping you to death.
It deals a hefty 6 to each opponent.

Repercussion is a key card, because it checks for damage dealt to creatures (from another source), then it dealt damage to players, so it was a key funnel to "doubling" the doublers, because the doublers get to check two damage triggers everytime a creature gets damaged. By itself Repercussion doesn't do anything.

Purphy just deals damage to opponents outright, so it doesn't synergize with Repercussion.
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Post by Serenade » 10 months ago

Was not expecting a goblin, more flexible Stuffy Doll. Seems like an A+ card in Nin. Even better if you run Basilisk Collar!
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Post by DirkGently » 10 months ago

Something about Brash Taunter just makes me giggle looking at it. What a ridiculous card.

Enthralling Hold isn't very exciting here, but that card will haunt my dreams in limited.

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