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Post by Airi » 2 years ago

Just like Ral Zarek, it's pure tragedy that I can't have an Oko deck (character, not a specific card).
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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

75chan wrote:
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I don't mind walkers in constructed (espcecially EDH), but I very much prefer drafting where there are no walkers.
They aren't nearly as much of an issue in commander. Some of my spite comes from where they are at right now in standard which feels like every deck is running walkers.
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Just like Ral Zarek, it's pure tragedy that I can't have an Oko deck (character, not a specific card).
You could make a brawl deck I suppose....
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Airi wrote:
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Just like Ral Zarek, it's pure tragedy that I can't have an Oko deck (character, not a specific card).
You could make a brawl deck I suppose....
I most likely will on Arena, but it doesn't help me with paper magic since I don't know anyone who plays brawl IRL. :pensive:
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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

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I most likely will on Arena, but it doesn't help me with paper magic since I don't know anyone who plays brawl IRL. :pensive:
Wait...... we are getting brawl on arena? I totally missed this. Where is this announcement?
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 2 years ago

Yep, the ELD brawl precons are live on there right now.

Some part of me wants to dust off the old Windows machine and give them a go. But nah. :P
 
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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

Is it multiplayer or just 1v1? I am not against 1v1 brawl but just curious as to what they have made. I had sort of doubted that they would ever make multiplayer brawl on arena but now that I hear that brawl is happening I have no idea what they did lol.
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Post by Sharpened » 2 years ago

It's 1v1.

Not as good as multiplayer, although I have no idea how they'd manage that in Arena. Still fun, although pretty tempo oriented. The precons are pretty fun and I am greatly looking forward to it being a regular play option.

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Post by Rumpy5897 » 2 years ago

It's 1v1 to the point of them making a few tweaks to the lists to account for the 1v1'ness of the experience.

I'll wait and see how the prices on this stuff shake out. I'm afraid that Arcane Signet may end up costing an arm and a leg, which I do not like. If it ends up too close to a straight off-the-shelf deck, I might cough up for the one with Smothering Tithe in it. Can never have too many Mana Studies.
 
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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

Is it a best of one or best of three (assuming best of one). I kind of assume they aren't making a ladder for this but just a casual play area.
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Post by Sharpened » 2 years ago

The current event is best of 1. You are using precons that exist without sideboard. I assume that long term Brawl will be best of 1, as I think Brawl decks don't officially have a sideboard, but I am unsure.

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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

I think the original intent of brawl was multiplayer though. Shifting it to 1v1 in my mind shifts it to a more constructive competative format at which point I would rather see best of three with sideboards. Its just a question of what the intent for the format is / should be I guess.

Its still all upside to have more options on how to play on arena. But I do hope they look at it a bit deeper and question how to make it better. Having more things to tinker with and more ways to complete quests is a plus though.
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Post by Airi » 2 years ago

Still, I really need WotC to work with me here. I don't care if they're flip walkers like the Origins legends, a straight up legendary creature, or one of the 'This can be your commander' walkers. I need Ral and Oko as generals with good art.
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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

[mention]Airi[/mention] you might be waiting a while for that. Given that they haven't ever done the Origin flip legends thing again I don't know if that was a success or maybe just not something they want to replicate.
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Post by Airi » 2 years ago

I know it's not going to happen. :pensive: But a girl has to have dreams!
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Post by bobthefunny » 2 years ago

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Airi you might be waiting a while for that. Given that they haven't ever done the Origin flip legends thing again I don't know if that was a success or maybe just not something they want to replicate.
It was a success. They were popular, saw a lot of play, and were highly thematic, with the transform indicating their sparking.

There are a few things to consider before hand though:
  • Dual faced cards are something that takes more time and complexity to set up, and they have said they will use DFC sparingly as a result. Typically only in sets that utilize DFC already. Origins was special in that they printed only a few DFC, and only at high rarity. This was an extra expense, but they approved it to make the walkers more special, and to highlight their origin stories and really make their (literal) transformation special.
  • They've mentioned that it's difficult to make DFCs in a supplemental product like Commander, but could be possible, if there were enough of them,
  • Flip walkers (legend->flip) symbolize their origin story, and how they sparked. A before/after if you will. The Origin 5 were a very important set of lore to explore and set forth in the story and cards. For them to revisit this exact mechanic, they would likely want moments of equal importance. Ral and Oko, as side characters - likely won't qualify to the same extent. Bolas got this treatment... but he's Bolas.
  • They could revisit flip walker mechanics, but tie it to a different thematic event - perhaps the walker naturally switches between forms (Wolf mom), or perhaps they switch between different modes/phases (Karn, Teferi), or perhaps a catastrophic event causes a massive change in a character not tied to sparking, or perhaps someone switches from being a walker to a god, etc.
In short, it's possible, heck, even probable we'll see flip walkers again... But...:
  • It would probably be in a set with other DFCs.
  • It'll probably have a tie to the current storyline.
  • It'll probably have to be an actual set, and not a fixed supplemental product.
  • And/or it'll be major characters in that stroyline.

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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

I got to play the brawl event last night. Its fun but, I am going to like it a lot more when I don't have jank precons lol. How the hell does that jund dragon not have more ramp in it???
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Post by benjameenbear » 2 years ago

Because they want to make the decks fair and balanced. I've been jamming Brawl hardcore since the event started, and I'm pretty confident that each of the decks has a fair shot at beating any other deck. I think the Knight deck is the weakest of them, with Korvold being the best of the bunch in my opinion. Chulane is shockingly weak on any additional draw effects, so if you can tax him out fast enough he's not as powerful as Korvold.

I love the fact that Brawl is finally on Arena. I've been really disenchanted with the current Standard format so this is a great way for me to engage with Arena again.

Do I have 6 Brawl decks that are waiting for Eldraine cards? Yes....

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Post by ISBPathfinder » 2 years ago

Alela has been quite strong in my experience so far. I haven't played all of the decks yet myself mostly having played Jund and Esper but yea, I have never lost to knights yet.

God, I can't wait to not be using gates and %$#% for brawl lol.
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Post by 75chan » 2 years ago

Visited my old LGS this weekened... The meta somehow became even worse as Flash Hulk and Giant tribal battles it out (how do people find this fun???)
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 2 years ago

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Flash Hulk and Giant tribal battles it out
That doesn't sound like there's much battling going on, unless Flash Hulk is dismally built. Even then...
 
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Post by 75chan » 2 years ago

Rumpy5897 wrote:
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75chan wrote:
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Flash Hulk and Giant tribal battles it out
That doesn't sound like there's much battling going on, unless Flash Hulk is dismally built. Even then...
True ^^

From what I was told, it was more like some people people randomly added Flash Hulk to decks to "oops, I win" rather than building fully optimized flash hulk decks (either way, it's still bad).
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75chan wrote:
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Visited my old LGS this weekened... The meta somehow became even worse as Flash Hulk and Giant tribal battles it out (how do people find this fun???)
J agree. Giant tribal sounds horrible.
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75chan wrote:
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From what I was told, it was more like some people people randomly added Flash Hulk to decks to "oops, I win" rather than building fully optimized flash hulk decks (either way, it's still bad).
I never understood that mentality. I mean, sure, you just won... but how was that win satisfying in any way?
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J agree. Giant tribal sounds horrible.
Guess I need to build a Giant tribal deck to school you with for the next time we play.

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I never understood that mentality. I mean, sure, you just won... but how was that win satisfying in any way?
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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 2 years ago

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Guess I need to build a Giant tribal deck to school you with for the next time we play.
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