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Christmas has been great for me. I got the Spirit Island expansion which I'm incredibly excited to play.
Man, i looove me some Spirit Island! With Paper EDH being irresponisble, a close friend of mine keep going back and forth over Spirit Island two player scenarios. I just love how the basic concept is rather easy, but you can create absurdly hard setups to crack. Did you get the expansion with the naga type spirit? Or is there another expansion?

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Maze's End Golos decks probably don't necessarily need to be immediately hated out of the game. I've also got a pretty chill Golos deck that I don't think needs to eat the hate stick that hard. I think those decks are the exception to the rule though. Golos is definitely on the list of "murder this player immediately until contrary evidence is presented".
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Christmas has been great for me. I got the Spirit Island expansion which I'm incredibly excited to play.
Man, i looove me some Spirit Island! With Paper EDH being irresponisble, a close friend of mine keep going back and forth over Spirit Island two player scenarios. I just love how the basic concept is rather easy, but you can create absurdly hard setups to crack. Did you get the expansion with the naga type spirit? Or is there another expansion?
I think there's two expansions. I got the "Jagged Earth" expansion that just released this year. There's also a "Branch & Claw" expansion that was released a few years ago that I don't have.

I've mostly played extremely easy scenarios. Most of my friends are much more on the chill side of things. I only have one friend that really likes to crank up the difficulty, so unfortunately I haven't really gotten to sharpen my teeth on the game much. I really like the ocean spirit the best. The game is so thematically awesome!


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Post by RxPhantom » 3 months ago

I just finished watching Wonder Woman 1984, and I'm in awe of how much of a stupid mess it was. Just impossibly dumb.
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I just finished watching Wonder Woman 1984, and I'm in awe of how much of a stupid mess it was. Just impossibly dumb.
Is that an impossibly entertaining and good dumb or an impossibly stupid and unwatchable dumb?

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I just finished watching Wonder Woman 1984, and I'm in awe of how much of a stupid mess it was. Just impossibly dumb.
Is that an impossibly entertaining and good dumb or an impossibly stupid and unwatchable dumb?
Unwatchable. The movie just does whatever it wants regardless of whether or not it makes sense, the script is underbaked, and the movie is too boring for it to matter.
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I personally thought the movie was okay.
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The first Wonder Woman really made me aware of how formulaic a lot of the Marvel movies have gotten. I liked a lot of the presentation of the movie, but the third act was so weak. I think that was the movie that made me start to hate a lot of the finale fight scenes, because she just starts pulling abilities out of nowhere that weren't really satisfactorily set up in my opinion, and it kinda kills the stakes of the whole thing. I guess that's probably inevitable when every movie ends with two superhumans having a punch-up.

On a movie from a totally different genre/decade, I rewatched The Shining recently and had some things I wanted to say about it because I was curious if other people agree at all. I watched it back in college or something and kinda hated it, but I was a bit of a contrarian back then (I mean, MORE of a contrarian) so I figured I should give it another shot. And I had 2 main feelings from watching it, one uncontroversial and one presumably moreso.

Uncontroversially, I think it does a really good job in terms of film language and conveying emotion and tone and all that stuff. The cameras following people down the halls and in the maze, the snowy setting, the ominous pacing, all that stuff does a great job with the material. It's easy to put yourself in that position and feel the claustrophobia and fear of being trapped somewhere with a psychopath. I don't think I really appreciated this the first time I watched it. It wasn't 100% successful imo - the cuts to the kids screaming face in moments of horror felt a bit on the nose to me, and not very effective - but overall it's got a lot of justifiably iconic imagery.

More controversially, I find the plot a bit...wasteful, I guess. I think the point that most stuck out to me is that there is a LOT of supernatural stuff going on and absolutely none of it is strictly necessary for the story. The plot is basically: dude stays in an isolated hotel, goes crazy, and tries to kill his family. Nothing supernatural about that, really. Nutters drown their kids IRL after all. But yet we've got:

-Past people walking around (which is apparently supernatural and not a hallucination since his wife also sees them)
-Blood coming out of the elevator (possibly related to the first thing)
-The "shining" itself, which plays a laughably small role in the plot, especially considering it's the title of the movie
-It's mentioned that the hotel is built on an Indian burial ground (I guess allowances must be made for this being from the 80s)
-The kid also has an imaginary friend who is apparently psychic or something and seems to be unrelated to the shining and which requires him to talk in a very silly voice and even do some weird stuff that freaks his mom out but has no real payoff

Two of those aren't even related to the hotel at all! It seems to be just a staggering coincidence that the parents of a doubly-magic kid go to a doubly-magic hotel, all to set up a plot that doesn't really require any of that to happen. I kinda find it very anticlimactic to be honest, because you'd think that an evil hotel would be able to conjure up something more effective than making 1/3 of its occupants crazy, who then ultimately fails to kill either of the other two occupants.

Now granted, I think that's part of what makes the movie good - if it was more like Wonder Woman and the kid suddenly developed his magic powers at the end to decimate Jack Nicholson (also presumably imbued with evil super powers) and save the day, it'd be way less effective than the down-to-earth horror of being attacked in a potentially-realistic-ish way. But it's got all this bizarre setup that feels like intrigue-building for no real point. I think if the ghosts were just implied hallucinations, and get rid of the finger puppets and shining and whatever, it would have been a tighter story, personally. I think perhaps it wanted more of a "people are made puppets of supernatural forces" sort of vibe, instead of a "people are fallible and can fall into madness" sort of vibe. Personally I think that's less interesting, but even if that's what you want, you still only really need the ghosts for that, the other stuff is just a distraction imo.

Also idk why the cook has porn displayed prominently in his house. That's just weird. I mean by all means, porn all you want, but I feel like it'd get a bit awkward when your parents come around if you have it framed and mounted. Maybe I'm just a prude...

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Post by Toshi » 3 months ago

As for your point about sudden super powers, i hated Hancock for the same reason. Could've been an above average popcorn flick...
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On a movie from a totally different genre/decade, I rewatched The Shining recently and had some things I wanted to say about it because I was curious if other people agree at all.

Uncontroversially, I think it does a really good job in terms of film language and conveying emotion and tone and all that stuff.
While i'm a huge fan of Jack Nicholsons Craft and liked The Shining a lot the first 1-2 times i've watched it, i can't look past the stories of Kubrick terrorising Shelley Duvall as he did. No wonder her terror looked so real, since apparently it was.
I once read an extensive article about it, though i don't seem to find it right now. For a comprehensive one, check this: https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/02/ ... l-kubrick/.

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The first Wonder Woman really made me aware of how formulaic a lot of the Marvel movies have gotten.
I'll watch the Marvel films if someone puts them in front of me, but I lost investment at Iron Man 2. It's a bit like getting excited about new episodes of Law and Order, it's fine entertainment but does anyone really care about the overall plot?
More controversially, I find the plot a bit...wasteful, I guess.
It's my understanding that the book does more with those aspects than the movie does, not that I've read it to speak to that personally, but regular old insanity is a lot more frightening and uncomfortable than supernatural events, so I think the movie is probably better for it, being ambiguous enough to consider the whole thing group psychosis.
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As for your point about sudden super powers, i hated Hancock for the same reason. Could've been an above average popcorn flick...
DirkGently wrote:
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On a movie from a totally different genre/decade, I rewatched The Shining recently and had some things I wanted to say about it because I was curious if other people agree at all.

Uncontroversially, I think it does a really good job in terms of film language and conveying emotion and tone and all that stuff.
While i'm a huge fan of Jack Nicholsons Craft and liked The Shining a lot the first 1-2 times i've watched it, i can't look past the stories of Kubrick terrorising Shelley Duvall as he did. No wonder her terror looked so real, since apparently it was.
I once read an extensive article about it, though i don't seem to find it right now. For a comprehensive one, check this: https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/02/ ... l-kubrick/.
I've heard the same. I enjoyed the movie, but it does leave a bit of a bad taste in the mouth knowing that the director literally broke her mentally in order to get the performance he wanted.
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On a movie from a totally different genre/decade, I rewatched The Shining recently and had some things I wanted to say about it because I was curious if other people agree at all. I watched it back in college or something and kinda hated it, but I was a bit of a contrarian back then (I mean, MORE of a contrarian) so I figured I should give it another shot. And I had 2 main feelings from watching it, one uncontroversial and one presumably moreso.
Honestly, as much as its a good film with a lot of great segments, a lot of the supernatural parts of the film are superfluous to requirement. Like virtually all of Stephen King's film/tv adaptations it suffers a lot in translation (despite being probably the best of the bunch), and I don't necessarily think its through any major flaw in the film per se; it just speaks to how good a writer King is/was at his peak. He's had his share of duds, but his best books brilliantly blend psychological terror and the supernatural effortlessly.

Also, the 'shine' is one of those things that ties into a wider arc of stories from King, the Dark Tower series. There's a few that do it, and unless you've focused on them as a series and all the peripheral tie ins you'd never know.
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Also idk why the cook has porn displayed prominently in his house. That's just weird. I mean by all means, porn all you want, but I feel like it'd get a bit awkward when your parents come around if you have it framed and mounted. Maybe I'm just a prude...
I think its probably a more subtle nod to the isolation of the Overlook. The cook is obviously like 'well ain't no one visiting, I'll just hang these here'. Makes sense to me, even if there's no way I'd ever order Eggs Benedict from the guy.
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Like virtually all of Stephen King's film/tv adaptations it suffers a lot in translation (despite being probably the best of the bunch), and I don't necessarily think its through any major flaw in the film per se; it just speaks to how good a writer King is/was at his peak. He's had his share of duds, but his best books brilliantly blend psychological terror and the supernatural effortlessly.
On the other hand, there's Maximum Overdrive for a look at what happens when King directs for himself.
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Like virtually all of Stephen King's film/tv adaptations it suffers a lot in translation (despite being probably the best of the bunch), and I don't necessarily think its through any major flaw in the film per se; it just speaks to how good a writer King is/was at his peak. He's had his share of duds, but his best books brilliantly blend psychological terror and the supernatural effortlessly.
On the other hand, there's Maximum Overdrive for a look at what happens when King directs for himself.
Yeah, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near his adaptations. He gets a pass for his small cameo in the latest It, but otherwise, it's a no from me.
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Like virtually all of Stephen King's film/tv adaptations it suffers a lot in translation (despite being probably the best of the bunch), and I don't necessarily think its through any major flaw in the film per se; it just speaks to how good a writer King is/was at his peak. He's had his share of duds, but his best books brilliantly blend psychological terror and the supernatural effortlessly.
On the other hand, there's Maximum Overdrive for a look at what happens when King directs for himself.
Yeah, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near his adaptations. He gets a pass for his small cameo in the latest It, but otherwise, it's a no from me.
In King's defense..he was honestly stoned out of his mind on cocaine when he made it.
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On the other hand, there's Maximum Overdrive for a look at what happens when King directs for himself.
Yeah, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near his adaptations. He gets a pass for his small cameo in the latest It, but otherwise, it's a no from me.
In King's defense..he was honestly stoned out of his mind on cocaine when he made it.
Frankly, I want an apology. Not for the cocaine, but for the film. And the Dark Tower adaptation.

Wait, he wasn't in that one. It was truly a %$#% though. Someone needs to apologise for it.
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Yeah, he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near his adaptations. He gets a pass for his small cameo in the latest It, but otherwise, it's a no from me.
In King's defense..he was honestly stoned out of his mind on cocaine when he made it.
Frankly, I want an apology. Not for the cocaine, but for the film.
I honestly think it could be remade but with AI going nutty. But from my understanding both he and his son have written a new better ending for CBS all access' The Stand.

King is the only author who has a book (Carrie) that I refuse to read again due to how malicious some of the characters are. I know that his characterizations are near spot on and he did it after working as an english teacher but still.....*shudder*
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In King's defense..he was honestly stoned out of his mind on cocaine when he made it.
Frankly, I want an apology. Not for the cocaine, but for the film.
I honestly think it could be remade but with AI going nutty. But from my understanding both he and his son have written a new better ending for CBS all access' The Stand.

King is the only author who has a book (Carrie) that I refuse to read again due to how malicious some of the characters are. I know that his characterizations are near spot on and he did it after working as an english teacher but still.....*shudder*
I haven't read that one in a long ass time. I remember it being very good, and knowing the story I can see how that nastiness would really come through, but I don't remember it being awful enough to never read the book again (despite the fact that I haven't since first reading it regardless). I mean the pigs blood, yeah, but no other points really trigger any significant memories for me.
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I think its probably a more subtle nod to the isolation of the Overlook. The cook is obviously like 'well ain't no one visiting, I'll just hang these here'. Makes sense to me, even if there's no way I'd ever order Eggs Benedict from the guy.
Lol, good theory but I'm talking about the scenes where he's at his own home, before the shining tells him to return to the overlook.

Hancock was sooooo bad, haha.

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I think its probably a more subtle nod to the isolation of the Overlook. The cook is obviously like 'well ain't no one visiting, I'll just hang these here'. Makes sense to me, even if there's no way I'd ever order Eggs Benedict from the guy.
Lol, good theory but I'm talking about the scenes where he's at his own home, before the shining tells him to return to the overlook.

Hancock was sooooo bad, haha.
Ah, yeah. Been a while since I've seen the movie tbh. You got me there, that's just weird and unhygienic.
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-It's mentioned that the hotel is built on an Indian burial ground (I guess allowances must be made for this being from the 80s)
Also featured in Poltergeist the movie. Rather than being racially or culturally insensitive, I've always thought of this as a kind of paranormal middle finger from the afterlife to the culturally insensitive, a just desserts for the U.S. government's unfair and inhumane treatment of Americans "Indians".
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Also featured in Poltergeist the movie. Rather than being racially or culturally insensitive, I've always thought of this as a kind of paranormal middle finger from the afterlife to the culturally insensitive, a just desserts for the U.S. government's unfair and inhumane treatment of Americans "Indians".
That is a reasonable reading of it, though I think it does sort of perpetuate the "mystical" stereotypes around American Indians. But I mostly meant that, these days, "Indian burial ground" feels like a very cliché horror trope, whereas it might have felt a bit less stale back in 1980 (or whenever the book was written).

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That is a reasonable reading of it, though I think it does sort of perpetuate the "mystical" stereotypes around American Indians. But I mostly meant that, these days, "Indian burial ground" feels like a very cliché horror trope, whereas it might have felt a bit less stale back in 1980 (or whenever the book was written).
One time for work I got to climb into and photograph the rafters of a 150 year old opera house built on the site of a historical Native American massacre in a pre-revolutionary war prison, and we did not document any ghosts or hauntings, so I think we can put that myth to rest.
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Post by Dunharrow » 3 months ago

Kubrick, aside from torturing all of his cast, also seriously warped the story. It can be said that he used the shell of the Shining to make his film more popular, but otherwise ignored many of the aspects of the story and told the story he wanted to tell.

If you look up Rob Ager's film analysis videos, he has a lot on the Shining that thoroughly delves into what Kubrick was trying to convey. I am not sure what is on Youtube right now though... Rob has had to take down many videos over the years.

Unlike A Clockwork Orange, which stuck to the story, The Shining departed in many ways. King has spoken out against the movie many times.
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-It's mentioned that the hotel is built on an Indian burial ground (I guess allowances must be made for this being from the 80s)
Also featured in Poltergeist the movie. Rather than being racially or culturally insensitive, I've always thought of this as a kind of paranormal middle finger from the afterlife to the culturally insensitive, a just desserts for the U.S. government's unfair and inhumane treatment of Americans "Indians".
Don't forget Pet Sematary, which also featured an Indian burial ground as a major plot point.
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Kubrick, aside from torturing all of his cast, also seriously warped the story. It can be said that he used the shell of the Shining to make his film more popular, but otherwise ignored many of the aspects of the story and told the story he wanted to tell.

If you look up Rob Ager's film analysis videos, he has a lot on the Shining that thoroughly delves into what Kubrick was trying to convey. I am not sure what is on Youtube right now though... Rob has had to take down many videos over the years.

Unlike A Clockwork Orange, which stuck to the story, The Shining departed in many ways. King has spoken out against the movie many times.
My biggest beef with Clockwork Orange is the omission of the final chapter. It changed the movie from something thought provoking into something a college guy would want to hang a poster of in his dorm room next to a Scarface poster.
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Don't forget Pet Sematary, which also featured an Indian burial ground as a major plot point.
In terms of the novels/novellas there's also Thinner, in which a guy gets cursed by a Romanian gypsy. Not quite the same thing, but would likely have a similar reception if printed today.
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