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TheAmericanSpirit Supreme Dumb Guy
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I love you, Sanity. This is one of my favorite movie scenes of all time and I'm so happy you brought it up. Now to see if we get an excuse to break out "Help! Help! I'M BEING REPRESSED!" in future spoilers.Sanity_Eclipse wrote: ↑4 years ago
Emry, Lurker of the Loch - Mookie's comments about sum it up. Also, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of dodging commander tax! (What are you going on about, Sanity...)
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(Except when DirkGently makes them!)
It depends on your environment, I think. People in my groups aren't clamouring to play Unearth and Lightning Bolt is uncommon at best.Serenade wrote: ↑4 years agoClaim the Firstborn feels like a staple. Everyone should be running sac outlets. So many good lower cmc critters in this format.
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materpillar the caterpillar
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That sounds fantastic.toctheyounger wrote: ↑4 years agoMan, I'm so tempted to build a Monty Python and the holy grail theme deck now. Or a Robin Hood: Men in Tights deck. Either is totally doable this set.
The card I'm most excited about is Tournament Grounds. My march towards having only lands that are relevant for creature types continues for my changeling deck continues. On the other side of the coin, if Witch's Vengeance could never be played ever I would appreciate it. I might also try to jam Robber Of The Rich in there too, but the deck is getting fairly tight.
I'm also super pumped for Foulmire Knight. Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker wants every black 1/x that draws cards. I might also stick it in Lazav.
Questing Beast wins the award for greatest flavor fail. What is happening in that mess of text?
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Note that it also doubles as a ritual if you have creatures that tap for more than one mana. I'm looking forward to using it with Selvala, Heart of the Wilds.Serenade wrote: ↑4 years agoClaim the Firstborn feels like a staple. Everyone should be running sac outlets. So many good lower cmc critters in this format.
Getting through the text IS the quest!materpillar wrote: ↑4 years agoQuesting Beast wins the award for greatest flavor fail. What is happening in that mess of text?
Mirri, Cat Warrior counts as a Cat Warrior.
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DirkGently My wins are unconditional
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syr carah, the bold is intriguing. CA for red in the CZ. Idk that there are burn spells I'd want to use to trigger her, but maybe there's some synergy with buyback or something to justify a couple of them.
Glad it's play not cast.
I can't think of many cards I'd be less likely to play in edh that aren't vanilla creatures. Even Zirulan which runs lots of sac outs AND is mono-red isn't even considering this. I'd rather pay extra for flexible/flash theft.
Glad it's play not cast.
Really? I'd say maybe 30% of my decks run any sac outlets, and only a few run more than a couple. Plus it's so narrow. And you need to play a sac out first so the low cost is less useful. Surely lightning bolt accomplishes a similar task with zero setup. And bolt is an instant, this is a sorcery.Serenade wrote: ↑4 years agoClaim the Firstborn feels like a staple. Everyone should be running sac outlets. So many good lower cmc critters in this format.
I can't think of many cards I'd be less likely to play in edh that aren't vanilla creatures. Even Zirulan which runs lots of sac outs AND is mono-red isn't even considering this. I'd rather pay extra for flexible/flash theft.
Perm Decks
Phelddagrif - Kaervek - Golos - Zirilan
Flux Decks
Gollum - Lobelia - Minthara - Plargg2 - Solphim - Otharri - Graaz - Ratchet - Soundwave - Slicer - Gale - Rootha - Kagemaro - Blorpityblorpboop - Kayla - SliverQueen - Ivy - Falco - Gluntch - Charlatan/Wilson - Garth - Kros - Anthousa - Shigeki - Light-Paws - Lukka - Sefris - Ebondeath - Rokiric - Garth - Nixilis - Grist - Mavinda - Kumano - Nezahal - Mavinda - Plargg - Plargg - Extus - Plargg - Oracle - Kardur - Halvar - Tergrid - Egon - Cosima - Halana+Livio - Jeska+Falthis+Obosh - Yeva - Akiri+Zirda - Lady Sun - Nahiri - Korlash - Overlord+Zirda - Chisei - Athreos2 - Akim - Cazur+Ukkima - Otrimi - Otrimi - Kalamax - Ayli+Lurrus - Clamilton - Gonti - Heliod2 - Ayula - Thassa2 - Gallia - Purphoros2 - Rankle - Uro - Rayami - Gargos - Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa - Ashling1 - Angus - Arcum - Talrand - Chainer - Higure - Kumano - Scion - Teferi1 - Uyo - Sisters
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote
Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena
Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Phelddagrif - Kaervek - Golos - Zirilan
Flux Decks
Gollum - Lobelia - Minthara - Plargg2 - Solphim - Otharri - Graaz - Ratchet - Soundwave - Slicer - Gale - Rootha - Kagemaro - Blorpityblorpboop - Kayla - SliverQueen - Ivy - Falco - Gluntch - Charlatan/Wilson - Garth - Kros - Anthousa - Shigeki - Light-Paws - Lukka - Sefris - Ebondeath - Rokiric - Garth - Nixilis - Grist - Mavinda - Kumano - Nezahal - Mavinda - Plargg - Plargg - Extus - Plargg - Oracle - Kardur - Halvar - Tergrid - Egon - Cosima - Halana+Livio - Jeska+Falthis+Obosh - Yeva - Akiri+Zirda - Lady Sun - Nahiri - Korlash - Overlord+Zirda - Chisei - Athreos2 - Akim - Cazur+Ukkima - Otrimi - Otrimi - Kalamax - Ayli+Lurrus - Clamilton - Gonti - Heliod2 - Ayula - Thassa2 - Gallia - Purphoros2 - Rankle - Uro - Rayami - Gargos - Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa - Ashling1 - Angus - Arcum - Talrand - Chainer - Higure - Kumano - Scion - Teferi1 - Uyo - Sisters
PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbiote
Brawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena
Oathbreaker - Wrenn&6
Meeting at WotC R&D "well we can't reprint Phelddagrif..so let's go all five colors with something like it"...and as for rogue well sword of dungeons and dragons
and would commander tax be a non-factor in a artifact dedicated deck with Emry, Lurker of the Loch?
The Secret of Commander (EDH)
Sheldon-"The secret of this format is in not breaking it. "
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Few more bits and it'd be very easy. We just need a trusty steed named Patsy and an Equipment called Coconut Halves that has equip : Make a clopping sound.materpillar wrote: ↑4 years agoThat sounds fantastic.toctheyounger wrote: ↑4 years agoMan, I'm so tempted to build a Monty Python and the holy grail theme deck now. Or a Robin Hood: Men in Tights deck. Either is totally doable this set.
For a Men in Tights build we definitely need a rabbi.
In all seriousness, I'm really just holding out to see a legendary witch at this point.
Price of Progress seems like a given. I'm interested in possibly doing some kind of pseudo-storm (you'll get a card for every Grapeshot trigger), pseudo-burn deck with her at the helm, but it probably would get boring to play rather quick.DirkGently wrote: ↑4 years agosyr carah, the bold is intriguing. CA for red in the CZ. Idk that there are burn spells I'd want to use to trigger her, but maybe there's some synergy with buyback or something to justify a couple of them.
Glad it's play not cast.
Really? I'd say maybe 30% of my decks run any sac outlets, and only a few run more than a couple. Plus it's so narrow. And you need to play a sac out first so the low cost is less useful. Surely lightning bolt accomplishes a similar task with zero setup. And bolt is an instant, this is a sorcery.Serenade wrote: ↑4 years agoClaim the Firstborn feels like a staple. Everyone should be running sac outlets. So many good lower cmc critters in this format.
I can't think of many cards I'd be less likely to play in edh that aren't vanilla creatures. Even Zirulan which runs lots of sac outs AND is mono-red isn't even considering this. I'd rather pay extra for flexible/flash theft.
Agreed on Claim the Firstborn. None of my decks have a sac outlet, the closest thing is Neoform/Eldritch Evolution, but I don't think I'd run it even if I had sac outlets. There's some decent utility in though incase you want R: Untap target creature with upside.
I swap decks a lot
Avacyn with defensive blinking
OG Jhoira spellslinger without MLD or eldrazi
and some other stuff that are more or less messy
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Avacyn with defensive blinking
OG Jhoira spellslinger without MLD or eldrazi
and some other stuff that are more or less messy
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Which rabbit will you use?toctheyounger wrote: ↑4 years agoMan, I'm so tempted to build a Monty Python and the holy grail theme deck now. Or a Robin Hood: Men in Tights deck. Either is totally doable this set.
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Kezzerdrix seems evil enough. The real question though, is how to portray the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. Maybe Ratchet Bomb? So long as you can count to three (five is way off).Cyberium wrote: ↑4 years agoWhich rabbit will you use?toctheyounger wrote: ↑4 years agoMan, I'm so tempted to build a Monty Python and the holy grail theme deck now. Or a Robin Hood: Men in Tights deck. Either is totally doable this set.
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You're welcome, [mention]TheAmericanSpirit[/mention].
Outlaws' Merriment is a decently spicy little thing.
Outlaws' Merriment is a decently spicy little thing.
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ISBPathfinder Bebopin
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Wow, Seven Dwarves is literally a buffed Relentless Rats / Rat Colony (as far as stats for the mana go). It will be interesting to see how red can spin it in comparison to black. Rats and being in black is probably a little stronger but its really cool to see how a change in color / creature type might impact where it can and will see play.
Also, VERY happy to see it stay at common. Maybe Depala, Pilot Exemplar will finally have something interesting to do?
Also, VERY happy to see it stay at common. Maybe Depala, Pilot Exemplar will finally have something interesting to do?
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SocorroTortoise Not A Turtle
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Not quite? You can only include 7 of them in a deck.ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑4 years agoWow, Seven Dwarves is literally a buffed Relentless Rats / Rat Colony (as far as stats for the mana go). It will be interesting to see how red can spin it in comparison to black. Rats and being in black is probably a little stronger but its really cool to see how a change in color / creature type might impact where it can and will see play.
Also, VERY happy to see it stay at common. Maybe Depala, Pilot Exemplar will finally have something interesting to do?
Seven Dwarves is hilarious, but I don't think seven copies is enough to build around - most Relentless Rats / Shadowborn Apostle decks I see rely heavily on Thrumming Stone, which needs a much higher density.
True Love's Kiss - I actually complained about Slice in Twain not existing in monowhite a while ago, so good to see this printed. I can't think of any staple White Disenchant effects (compared to Green having Reclamation Sage, Nature's Claim, which I jam into most decks that can play them), which means that the bar for new options is a bit lower.
Harmonious Archon is interesting. An anthem for your tokens, and a debuff for any large creatures your opponents have.
Ayara, First of Locthwain looks like a more balanced Yawgmoth, Thran Physician. Mixed feelings about only sacrificing black creatures - means she really wants to be in a monoblack deck (also, obligatory devotion callout). Still, making monocolor better is always nice. Drain ability seems pretty useful as well, although it may mean she draws more hate.
True Love's Kiss - I actually complained about Slice in Twain not existing in monowhite a while ago, so good to see this printed. I can't think of any staple White Disenchant effects (compared to Green having Reclamation Sage, Nature's Claim, which I jam into most decks that can play them), which means that the bar for new options is a bit lower.
Harmonious Archon is interesting. An anthem for your tokens, and a debuff for any large creatures your opponents have.
Ayara, First of Locthwain looks like a more balanced Yawgmoth, Thran Physician. Mixed feelings about only sacrificing black creatures - means she really wants to be in a monoblack deck (also, obligatory devotion callout). Still, making monocolor better is always nice. Drain ability seems pretty useful as well, although it may mean she draws more hate.
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ISBPathfinder Bebopin
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Wow, I really derped that one up. I guess I need to play limited so I can try to break that limit lol.SocorroTortoise wrote: ↑4 years agoNot quite? You can only include 7 of them in a deck.ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑4 years agoWow, Seven Dwarves is literally a buffed Relentless Rats / Rat Colony (as far as stats for the mana go). It will be interesting to see how red can spin it in comparison to black. Rats and being in black is probably a little stronger but its really cool to see how a change in color / creature type might impact where it can and will see play.
Also, VERY happy to see it stay at common. Maybe Depala, Pilot Exemplar will finally have something interesting to do?
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Return to Dust and, more recently, Crush Contraband have been pretty great for me. The cantrip aspect might be nice though, especially for mono-white.Mookie wrote: ↑4 years agoTrue Love's Kiss - I actually complained about Slice in Twain not existing in monowhite a while ago, so good to see this printed. I can't think of any staple White Disenchant effects (compared to Green having Reclamation Sage, Nature's Claim, which I jam into most decks that can play them), which means that the bar for new options is a bit lower.
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SocorroTortoise Not A Turtle
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True Love's Kiss is a decent card but I'm even more on board for the flavor. Make out with Pestilence until it disappears.
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Seven Dwarves will be fun with token copies and populate, perhaps? You can certainly end up with a lot more than seven.
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Nope.ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑4 years agoWow, I really derped that one up. I guess I need to play limited so I can try to break that limit lol.SocorroTortoise wrote: ↑4 years agoNot quite? You can only include 7 of them in a deck.ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑4 years agoWow, Seven Dwarves is literally a buffed Relentless Rats / Rat Colony (as far as stats for the mana go). It will be interesting to see how red can spin it in comparison to black. Rats and being in black is probably a little stronger but its really cool to see how a change in color / creature type might impact where it can and will see play.
Also, VERY happy to see it stay at common. Maybe Depala, Pilot Exemplar will finally have something interesting to do?
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ISBPathfinder Bebopin
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Thats SUPER weird given that normally limited puts no restriction on how many of anything you can run.Sharpened wrote: ↑4 years agoNope.ISBPathfinder wrote: ↑4 years agoWow, I really derped that one up. I guess I need to play limited so I can try to break that limit lol.
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Rite of Replication: Sleepy still hasn't gotten up.bobthefunny wrote: ↑4 years agoSeven Dwarves will be fun with token copies and populate, perhaps? You can certainly end up with a lot more than seven.
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Back from the Brink: "You'll have to toss me. Don't tell the elf."
I honestly don't know if there'll be a lot of people excited about this guy in EDH, but he's just perfect for my beloved Lazav, the Multifarious deck!
Cheap CMC, can sac itself, grant both haste and evasion...
Love. It.
He might as well go into my Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle list.