Hinata, Shark Typhoon, and X spells

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Post by The Desacrator » 1 year ago

If I have Hinata, Dawn-Crowned and Shark Typhoon in play and cast Aurelia's Fury with 5 targets, how big a Shark Token do I get?

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by Argus » 1 year ago
The Desacrator wrote:
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If I have Hinata, Dawn-Crowned and Shark Typhoon in play and cast Aurelia's Fury with 5 targets, how big a Shark Token do I get?
That depends: What value of X did you choose for Aurelia's Fury?

For example, if you cast it with X=5 (and divided the damage with 1 to each target), its mana cost was 5RW, its mana value was 7, and Shark Typhoon creates a 7/7 blue Shark creature token with flying.

For another example, if you cast it with X=10 (and maybe divided the damage with 2 to each target), its mana cost was (10)RW, its mana value was 12, and Shark Typhoon creates a 12/12 blue Shark creature token with flying.

If you cast it with X=15 (and maybe divided the damage with a different amount to each target), its mana cost was (15)RW, its mana value was 17, and Shark Typhoon creates a 17/17 blue Shark creature token with flying.

Hinata doesn't change the above.
601.2f The player determines the total cost of the spell. Usually this is just the mana cost. Some
spells have additional or alternative costs. Some effects may increase or reduce the cost to pay,
or may provide other alternative costs. Costs may include paying mana, tapping permanents,
sacrificing permanents, discarding cards, and so on. The total cost is the mana cost or alternative
cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all
cost reductions.
If multiple cost reductions apply, the player may apply them in any order. If the
mana component of the total cost is reduced to nothing by cost reduction effects, it is considered
to be 0. It can't be reduced to less than 0. Once the total cost is determined, any effects that
directly affect the total cost are applied. Then the resulting total cost becomes "locked in." If
effects would change the total cost after this time, they have no effect.
An Aurelia's Fury cast with X=8 and 5 targets while Hinata is under your control would have
Mana cost = 8RW, so mana value = 10
Cost reduction = 5
Total cost = Mana cost - cost reduction = 3RW
But the mana value is still 10.
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Post by Argus » 1 year ago

The Desacrator wrote:
1 year ago
If I have Hinata, Dawn-Crowned and Shark Typhoon in play and cast Aurelia's Fury with 5 targets, how big a Shark Token do I get?
That depends: What value of X did you choose for Aurelia's Fury?

For example, if you cast it with X=5 (and divided the damage with 1 to each target), its mana cost was 5RW, its mana value was 7, and Shark Typhoon creates a 7/7 blue Shark creature token with flying.

For another example, if you cast it with X=10 (and maybe divided the damage with 2 to each target), its mana cost was (10)RW, its mana value was 12, and Shark Typhoon creates a 12/12 blue Shark creature token with flying.

If you cast it with X=15 (and maybe divided the damage with a different amount to each target), its mana cost was (15)RW, its mana value was 17, and Shark Typhoon creates a 17/17 blue Shark creature token with flying.

Hinata doesn't change the above.
601.2f The player determines the total cost of the spell. Usually this is just the mana cost. Some
spells have additional or alternative costs. Some effects may increase or reduce the cost to pay,
or may provide other alternative costs. Costs may include paying mana, tapping permanents,
sacrificing permanents, discarding cards, and so on. The total cost is the mana cost or alternative
cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all
cost reductions.
If multiple cost reductions apply, the player may apply them in any order. If the
mana component of the total cost is reduced to nothing by cost reduction effects, it is considered
to be 0. It can't be reduced to less than 0. Once the total cost is determined, any effects that
directly affect the total cost are applied. Then the resulting total cost becomes "locked in." If
effects would change the total cost after this time, they have no effect.
An Aurelia's Fury cast with X=8 and 5 targets while Hinata is under your control would have
Mana cost = 8RW, so mana value = 10
Cost reduction = 5
Total cost = Mana cost - cost reduction = 3RW
But the mana value is still 10.
Why bother with mere rulings when so many answers can be found in the Rules?

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Post by The Desacrator » 1 year ago

Great thank you!

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