Patron of the Orochi - The Cockroach Tron

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Patron of the Orochi

The Cockroach Tron


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Foreword

Tron and You, or the Joys of Big Mana Plays


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Once upon a time, WotC printed a set of three lands which went on to be dubbed Tron by the community. They come together to produce a torrential wave of colourless mana, but take a while to get online and are pretty unimpressive until they assemble. But when they finally get together, something clicks and the player is able to make crazy mana-fuelled plays that elude most other decks. Modern Tron lists can make use of cards like Karn Liberated and Wurmcoil Engine that would be far too steeply costed for most other designs to rely on. To add insult to injury, those are often but mid-game plays to help stabilise, and the finishing blow comes in the form of an Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger or something else in the double digits of mana cost. There's also a Pauper variant, which has its own annihilating terror in Ulamog's Crusher.

This whole "be inactive in the early turns while you ramp, then take over the game" is not a concept alien to EDH. A compilation of various gameplay statistics courtesy of the Command Zone showed that if you are sitting on the highest land total, you tend to win the game. This makes sense - having a ridiculous resource pool at your disposal tends to be pretty good in a sloggy multiplayer format, and lands are the most resilient form of ramp. As such, Gx decks devote nontrivial numbers of slots to Cultivates and stuff like that, and those less fortunate still often run Burnished Harts and whatnot. However, most lists have the common sense to not go full ham on the ramp, employing it to help power out game-warping plays. Ever wondered what would happen if you just tossed together a list that goes about as ham on mana as humanly possible, largely disregarding the cost of what it subsequently accomplishes? Well, I'm here to answer this question with a turbo jank heap that unironically runs Book of Rass.

"Prophet of the Orochi"

Why Play Patron and How to Build Him


When I grow up, I want to be this filthy
Patron of the Orochi is far from a glamorous hotshot commander vying for the limelight. Mono colour, obnoxiously expensive to cast, occasionally seen as a support piece but very rarely at the helm. If I'm to be honest, I'm not really sure why this is - read the guy's ability. That's essentially a Seedborn Muse out of the command zone. That's a pretty good effect. Once upon a time they made a spin on this which gave creatures flash too, and that ended up banned.

While our commander only nets us the untap part, knowing that it'll be coming allows us to sculpt the 99 to milk value from it, emulating the Prophet to some degree. Activated abilities are the name of the game here. With all of our mana available in each opponent's turn, we can freely pour it into whatever sink we have on board. Card draw? Body making? A ridiculously pricey artifact tutor? Sure, go right ahead. A lot of those options will be quite expensive to activate, but we honestly don't care. We're running an eight drop commander, so we'll be packing ramp in unreasonable quantities. By the time Patron comes online, we'll be swimming in mana.

It should also be noted that if we get a fresh Patron out onto the field by replaying him (e.g. after a bounce), we can use the ability again provided we overcome the summoning sickness. This forms the basis of the deck's most common infinite mana setup. A number of other combos have weaselled their way into the list over the years, and have become common enough that the deck wins off some form of infinite more often than not. As mentioned, Patron often actively partakes in the festivities, and if no combos appear his aforementioned Seedborn Muse mode becomes a super solid backup plan.

Patron and Me
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Patron and Me

Drowning People in Insects Since 2014


Best Omnath win condition
There's a certain charm to early EDH builds, the attempt to understand the format and put your own spin on it. One of my first "designs" was a weird, huggy Omnath, Locus of Mana deck. It would feed everybody cards, land, and in return it just asked to be left alone to grow its Omnath in peace. I think I did four digits of P/T on him once. Occasionally it would give the Omnath trample and kill somebody, or win off something absolutely bogus like Goblin Charbelcher after filtering out all the land in the deck, or Helix Pinnacle. I ran literally all of the mana doubling effects in there, along with Seedborn Muse and the hero of this story. I noticed that whilst doublers were cool and everything, Omnath farming exploded when I had one (or both!) of those two online.

At some point I decided to revisit mono-green for fun, and I recalled this fellow. He didn't seem to be played much, which would give me some hipster street credit, and potentially allow an interesting deck design. Activated abilities were the name of the game from day one - I knew that was the only way that would let me reliably pour all of my mana into doing something productive. Working from the bottom up, I picked the best engines and wrapped them in a tutor/draw/ramp-rich support shell.

The list soon wormed its way into my heart and has been the longest lasting active build in my roster, with no perspective of disassembling it in sight. The biggest boon to the deck was the printing of Temur Sabertooth, as this unassuming uncommon led to the creation of a combo component in the deck's game plan, which later became actively embraced and pursued.



Deck Overview


The Deck Ranking
General Attributes
  • Quick Game Likeness - from about turn five or six onwards, the list will routinely offer to kill the whole table
  • Newbie Feasibility - easy enough once you know how to pursue combo or swarm, but not the type of deck most newbies would start with
  • Commander Dependency - Patron is the linchpin of most of the combos and is vital to reliably bringing the swarm mode online
  • "Scare" Rating - pfft, some random unknown huggy-looking dude and lands. Oh wait suddenly tokens...
  • Multiplayer Mode - the early turn inactivity leads to little impact in duels, scales effortlessly into any pod size
  • Expensiveness - responds well to expensive combo/tutor cards, but could retain most construction principles in a more budget shell

Game Play Attributes
  • Acceleration - Patron's all about the ramp, and he's also all about using all the ramp during your opponents' turns
  • Library Searching - milking green's ability to get creatures, as well as the ragingly overcosted artifact options
  • Board Control - a small suite of removal, albeit with a decent amount of re-use potential
  • Spell Control - no spell control per se, but some proactive (shroud boots) and reactive (graveyard recursion) options to deal with them
  • Card Advantage - massive land ramp, massive draw engines, plethora of tutors to land massive token engines
  • Linearity - extremely streamlined game plan, with the deck engineered to get it online reliably and (relatively) quickly
  • Combo Potential - a number of infinite mana options, can potentially completely blank your enemies, but not the deck's only game plan

Strengths and Weaknesses
The Deck's Strengths
  • 15 31/31 tramply insects coming each of your opponents' way on turn 6 is normal
  • There's nothing stopping this happening when you begin turn 5 with zero nonland permanents under your control
  • Extremely consistent - runs a high number of tutors to dig out the required engines, and very powerful draw options to help dig if needed
  • Surprisingly resilient - has won through Contamination, as well as Leovold + Teferi's Puzzle Box
  • Scales really well with the number of players involved - more untaps, more mana, more tokens to kill people with
  • Provides the thrill of extreme mana plays, be it via token making or drawing insane numbers of cards off things like Staff of Domination; a Genesis Wave for 20 is pocket change
  • Easily offers infinite-free play, if your playgroup cares about that sort of thing... if it doesn't, easily offers surprise infinite mana stun kills
  • Refreshingly different when compared to your typical green EDH deck - goodstuff worshippers, eat your hearts out!
  • Running straight forests in the mana base is not only acceptable, but desirable
  • Can occasionally produce hilarious, derpy player kills via a flying Patron with the aid of Diviner's Wand

The Deck's Weaknesses
  • The number of engines/retrieval options is finite - it is theoretically possible to end up with a gigantic pool of mana and no way to win
  • Quite inactive on the board in the early game - the first five turns or so have you at the mercy of your opponents
  • A bit of a one-trick pony - you almost always win through a flood of tokens or arbitrarily large trampling land creatures
  • Runs land-based ramp - whilst the most resilient, it folds immediately to MLD like Wake of Destruction
  • Has some artifacts/enchantments that greatly improve the mana situation or card acquisition, and doesn't like to have them die
  • Static -X/-X effects can slow you down considerably as you need to dig for a way to deal with them or combo out in spite of them
  • Creature activated ability blockers shut you down hard, and will require removal digging while greatly limiting your options
  • Getting your linchpin creatures stolen or having the game drown in chaos are also effective kinds of hate against you
  • Often feeds other green decks at the table - whilst they probably can't use the mana quite as effectively as you, they may become major threats
  • Pillow forts can be annoying as well, as you often win through swarm combat, and may require digging up the pieces to tuck their whole board

Other Commander Options
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Other Commander Options
  • Zacama, Primal Calamity - Imagine the combo aspect of Patron, performed far easier and with more colours at your disposal. That, and you also get a formidable mana sink from the command zone that can do baller things outside combo. I prefer to have some hoops to hop through.
  • Sasaya, Orochi Ascendant - And just like that, we went from not enough hoops to too many hoops. Getting seven lands into hand is nontrivial, especially given hand size, and your payoff can be reset by a Reclamation Sage. Still, this thing can technically out-mana Patron quite easily.
  • Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - The most explosive general for stereotypical mono green fat, as progressively fatter dudes fuel insane mana generation and subtle refuel. Retains a delightful, janky edge, as things like Phyrexian Dreadnought turn into gigantic cantripping rituals. Feels like a better version of Patron in some ways, due to Selvala's importance in this list and various untap shenanigans.
  • Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - One of the strongest mono-green commanders. As expected, having a repeatable tutor in the command zone is a beastly option. Yisan's typical build involves a toolbox with some sort of combo finish, and it proved so fiercely consistent it got banned in French.
  • Azusa, Lost but Seeking - Comes down early, enables crazy land ramp. Combine with some choice engines like Recycle + Oracle of Mul Daya and you should have all the fat you may desire out in no time.
  • Omnath, Locus of Mana - All the green you generate can be used to directly beat face, and later spent on other things if you so desire. Very aggressive and powerful commander. Combine with the likes of Vedalken Orrery to preserve all your built up mana if someone blows him up.
  • Ezuri, Renegade Leader - Lends himself to Elfball like no other, giving regeneration to increase the Elves' resilience a little. Handily comes with an Overrun built in, which can be used to help close out games in no time.
  • Thrun, the Last Troll - Can't be countered, hexproof, regenerates. One of the most resilient voltron options around, letting you slap on busted auras like Eldrazi Conscription and Mythic Proportions with confidence.
  • Yeva, Nature's Herald - The creature flash enables you to play a draw-go style unheard of in green, and nobody can be entirely sure what lies in store if they swing at you. Combine with Arboria to make things silly.
  • Kamahl, Fist of Krosa - Similar to Ezuri - loses the regeneration shield, but has his own wrath deterrent in land animation. The ultimate consumer commander - comes down to a built up board, abusing the things green does best to deliver the win.



Deck List


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Saving Money
MTG finance is a funny thing. I bought a lot of this deck for a total of 100 euro in 2014, picking up new pieces for relatively low monetary investments as they got released/reprinted. The most I spent was 50 euro on a Mana Crypt and 20 euro on Three Visits. Meanwhile, the list is about to cross four digits on the pricegunner. Well crap. For starters, kick the Crypt out.

The good news is that none of the money pieces are essential here. The combo mode loses access to Earthcraft lines, but the Temur Sabertooth ones are more common to come together anyway. I'd recommend forking over for a Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - somehow she tends to wind up in the 99 of every green deck I build. It's good to have a copy of her around, and it certainly helps that she's a crazy piece here. All other expensive cards are various forms of utility. They're pricey for a reason, as they're just good and as such see widespread use in the format. Mana doubling is good, so mana doublers are expensive. Tutors are good, so tutors are expensive. Card draw is good, so Sylvan Library is expensive. Prioritise whichever cards seem like they'll be most relevant for you in the long term.

If trying to fill the post-Earthcraft combo density void, it might be worth to double down on the Temur Sabertooth plus haste setup, which shouldn't be too hard to get online as building up double digits of mana is not budget constrained. There are plenty of haste-granting equipment options, such as Haunted Cloak, that can be slotted in for redundancy. You could also look into some elf-based or Yisan, the Wanderer Bard style infinite mana which is inherently more fragile. Filling out the other slots would likely work fine with more budget options for their designated purpose (e.g. some of the inferior doublers the list is currently abstaining from, Beastmaster Ascension for finishing, Shared Summons/Primal Command for tutoring, Ranger's Path for ramp...).

1. Swarm Mode
The initial version of the deck won through a swarm of tokens built up in every opponent's turn, scaling seamlessly into pods of any sizes. These days it's mainly a backup line of play in case no combo appears, but still works fine as ever.
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  • :check: Ant Queen - The greatest token engine available. Produces the highest number of bodies, and lots of bodies are preferable for pump. Tutor for this if you have multiple tutors available or a finisher on hand.
  • Avenger of Zendikar - The archetypical goodstuff token burst is surprisingly weak here. The main argument in its favour is its relative commander independence, but that feels insufficient given the fact most of the deck can still operate to some degree without Patron around anyway.
  • Beastmaster Ascension - A favourite among weenie decks everywhere. If you're not swinging with seven or more creatures in here, you probably shouldn't be swinging. Once it activates, it stays live forever, letting you get that +5/+5 on additional attacks (in case they turn out to be needed) and defence duty. Doesn't respond to tutors as flexibly as the current finisher options.
  • Coat of Arms - Hey here's an idea, why not turn my 20 1/1 insects into 20 20/20 insects? Be sure to only drop this one down on the turn you go for the kill, as otherwise you may feed other decks at the table to some extent. Has the same tutor response issues as the Ascension.
  • Craterhoof Behemoth - The most powerful member of the Overrun family for this deck, by far, and he comes with legs too so you can access him easily. The issue with him is the fact he's a one-shot - if somebody fogs or the damage is prevented in another way, you're in a bit of a pickle. Thankfully, the arrival of Temur Sabertooth makes good ole Craterhoof recyclable, so fogs are no longer the bane of his existence.
  • Jade Mage - Comes down early, makes reasonably costed tokens, but that's about it. Ran it for ages as a third backup engine when the deck was actively swarm-centric, but didn't tend to use it even back in those days.
  • :check: Kamahl, Fist of Krosa - The gold standard in finishing all those years later. If you can feel a wrath in the air, don't be afraid to set him down the same turn as your token engine. If someone pulls the wrath trigger, people stop having lands. If someone does something silly like Massacre Wurm or Blasphemous Act, people stop having lands and you retain your army. What's not to love? It should also be noted that if you have extra Patron untaps and/or a ludicrous amount of mana on tap, you can just pull an alpha strike out of thin air and kill everybody with animated lands with no warning.
  • :check: Nemata, Grove Guardian - Responds to every single tutor, produces reasonably costed tokens and can boost the bejeezus out of the tokens in combat. Just use all of the mana on your turn to make more saprolings and sac them off, as well as any that your opponents happen to block. A true one-man army. Tutor for this first if you have one tutor and no finishers, otherwise grab this after Ant Queen falls.
  • Wren's Run Packmaster - Probably the best value token maker available, but you need elves to have it work reliably. The current list only runs a handful, so putting this in would be a bad idea. If you go for an Elfball mana shell (not recommended, too vulnerable), this becomes a sensible consideration.
2. Combo Enablers
If you happen to open or draw some of these, start paying attention to the possibility of an infinite mana setup coming together. Complementary pieces are often easier to tutor.
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Nothing's ever going to keep them down
  • Cloudstone Curio - A Temur Sabertooth-like enabler for hasted Patron bounce infinites, and still pretty good value town off ETBs otherwise. It's an artifact, making it harder to tutor, and it doesn't double as a defensive shield when in swarm mode.
  • Concordant Crossroads - Mass haste is pretty problematic for the deck to handle if things don't work out immediately, making this a risky include in spite of the non-existent mana investment.
  • :check: Earthcraft - Combine with mana doublers and targeted land boosts (Wild Growth/Utopia Sprawl) for a potential infinite off a token maker. If your land taps for more than it takes to make a body - great. If it breaks even, you can rip a Patron untap after making an arbitrary number of bodies and go to town. When not in infinite mode, still makes everything into a hasted Arbor Elf, which can scale quite well in backup swarm mode.
  • :check: Lightning Greaves - Not having to wait a full go of turns around the table to get to use Patron is actually pretty good. Combine with some bouncing courtesy of Temur Sabertooth and the game should be over on the spot. The fact it grants shroud is also a little handy when in non-combo territory.
  • :check: Staff of Domination - A bit costly at 6 mana to draw, but still enables dig. Plus, it comes with other cool functionality. Nothing like tapping down that gigantic beefslab so it doesn't destroy you, or serving as a two-in-one piece of an instagib combo if a fat mana dork comes around.
  • :check: Swiftfoot Boots - Similar story to Lightning Greaves, but a bit more balanced by having it come with a non-zero equip cost. In terms of Patron combo land, this just means it takes one more untappable mana for this to work in the same way as the Greaves. Think we can accomplish that.
  • :check: Temur Sabertooth - What doesn't this guy do? If something nasty hits, evacuate all your stuff back to your hand (whilst making this fellow indestructible, no less). Re-use all manner of ETB effects, be it Reclamation Sage, Eternal Witness or whatever. Heck, even make infinite mana! Just what the doctor ordered.
  • :check: Thousand-Year Elixir - Cheap, hastes up Patron without any extra cost on the turn he comes down, doesn't transfer to your opponents. The untap isn't too shoddy either, and can ramp further with mana chickens or let Patron wade his ginormous vanilla buttocks into combat.
3. Tutors
Reliable access to whatever you may need... as long as it's a creature, or you've got enough mana to get the crazy artifact options online.
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All the list's creatures are green. How handy!
  • :check: Chord of Calling - The instant speed makes a wonderfully tricksy tutor to have access to. Flash in Kamahl, Fist of Krosa in response to somebody trying to blow up the board and take down everybody's lands. Blow up a vital piece of a combo with appropriate ETB removal at exactly the wrong time. Flash in a finisher after a derpy-looking swing with some ants and win the game. Or, y'know, just perform normal tutoring in your turn if needed. The convoke is pretty handy for cheating cost every now and then. Even a deck as mana-centric as this one appreciates a good alternate casting cost.
  • Citanul Flute - While the repeated tutoring is nice, the range being limited to creatures and the required mana investment make this a less desirable options than a number of cards that got printed since the list's inception.
  • Defense of the Heart - The fact you can just set it down and go about your day, letting it pop on its own and get you stuff is pretty good. However, this is a pretty horrible topdeck later on when you're looking for immediate action.
  • Fierce Empath - A good tutor needs to be able to get as many as possible from the set of Selvala, Temur Sabertooth, a token maker and a finisher to be all-around useful. Nabbing utility creatures is a nice perk on top of that. This only reliably accesses the swarm options. It was fine in the early builds.
  • :check: Finale of Devastation - A latter-day member of the Chord/GSZ family, making up for the mildly increased cost by having the option to recur the creature. Plus, shall you dump enough spare mana into X, this doubles as a finisher. The fact the "kicked" mode grants haste is actually rather relevant, most often for performing Selvala + Staff of Domination combos without a haste outlet, but it can also be used in silly finite game states to grant a sudden wide the power to swing.
  • :check: Green Sun's Zenith - The ultimate green creature tutor, needs no explanation. The only thing that needs an explanation is my paranoia about Extraplanar Lens and wraths resulting in me not running Dryad Arbor to work with this, and I have no explanation for that.
  • Natural Order - The list doesn't run enough creatures to reliably produce sacrifice fodder. Variations of this problem plague some other established tutor options.
  • :check: Planar Bridge - A side-grade of the more represented Planar Portal effect, sacrificing access to instants/sorceries for mana efficiency, no counter window and effectively granting flash to whatever you pull out. Shenanigans!
  • :check: Planar Portal - I got the mana, this got the tutoring. All the tutoring. In the end, it's probably the best tutor in the deck as you can use it to repeatedly grab literally anything you may ever need, including removal, protection options or other tech needed at the time.
    I have grabbed Overgrowth with this
  • Primal Command - A bit like Brutalizer Exarch, as it's a tech card (including having been the only piece of active grave hate with an extended stay in the 99) that can pull double duty as a tutor. Unlike the Exarch, this will probably do the tutoring more often than not. The relatively steep cost for its lack of flexibility got it muscled out of the list with time.
  • :check: Ring of Three Wishes - If for whatever reason you're running low on wishes, grab a Planar Portal. I'm actually being serious here. But yeah, same conclusions apply here as the other big mana artifact tutors.
  • Shared Summons - Half a Tooth and Nail for five mana is not a bad place to be. However, most other tutors come with a lower overhead, making them easier to sequence at all stages of the game (including some potential early scenarios).
  • :check: Summoner's Pact - You won't have to pay it if you use it to snatch something to kill everybody, and who doesn't love unpaid pacts? Whee! Can lead to a pretty good Eternal Witness into Temur Sabertooth into whatever chain if you've got enough mana. Even if you do end up having to pay the mana later, it's stilly typically worth it.
  • Survival of the Fittest - I did mention that other established tutor options suffered from the lack of creature density, and this is the main casualty. Just like you don't get to sac stuff to Natural Order, you don't get to pitch stuff to this. How atypical for green!
  • Sylvan Tutor - A sorcery-speed top-of-deck tutor is okay on principle, but we're typically comfortable covering the mana overhead to just sneak the thing directly into our hand. Worldly Tutor is strictly better.
  • :check: Time of Need - Legendary restriction? Pfft! Hits a surprisingly serviceable bunch of targets at any stage of the game, reaching Nemata and Kamahl. Turns into Selvala, Heart of the Wilds more often than all of the other targets combined though, especially early game.
  • :check: Tooth and Nail - Not quite as lethal as it would be in any 2+ colour deck, as mono green lacks a way to have it be immediate geegmas, but still does very good work. If in possession of a non-creature combo piece, tutor up the creature necessary to go off and Eternal Witness to bounce the card back to your hand immediately. If on the token backup plan, typically just churn out Ant Queen + Kamahl, Fist of Krosa to have a safe field to make insects on. If looking at Earthcraft, Ant Queen + Nyxbloom Ancient is immediate infinite, though probably worth taking the extra step with Eternal Witness if in possession of one more land or creature. If swimming with mana but not quite infinite, Temur Sabertooth + Eternal Witness means more copies of this. Think you get the picture by now.
  • Weird Harvest - Whilst the appeal of spending a small chunk of mana to sort out most, if not all, of your tutoring needs is quite real, people won't be tricked by the faux-group-hug facade in anything outside the shortest of terms and will find ways to win faster or answer your shenanigans.
  • Woodland Bellower - Not a classic tutor option, but rather a proxy for all sorts of low-CMC utility: Eternal Witness, Reclamation Sage, Ulvenwald Tracker, possibly a mana dork if that's what the game state leads you to. It's a huge pity this can't get Selvala...
  • :check: Worldly Tutor - Hey, it's mana cheap. You can sneak it in during your ramping phase if your hand can support the next turn without a ramp-relevant topdeck. Or you can stack the next card you draw when you enter dig mode. Options!
  • Yisan, the Wanderer Bard - Indubitably amazing in a more creature-heavy build, as Patron untaps him as well, but unreliable dead weight here due to the creature scarcity and lack of combos he could assemble.
4. Card Draw
Drawing cards is good. Comes in the form of a few one-shot effects that end to nab at least seven fresh cards for the mana, due to how gargantuan Patron is, and various mana sinks that can be used to top up as turns go around the table.
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  • :check: Book of Rass - Greed and Erebos, God of the Dead are good options for black, we could make use of a similar effect. Cheaply costed mana-wise too. Just don't go overboard so you actually live to make use of what you draw.
  • Diviner's Wand - The cheapest no strings attached "X: draw a card" at 4 mana, allowing you to convert all the excess Patron mana in everybody else's turn into bonus cardboard without any advances on your life total. The +1/+1 and flying on the equipped creature is not to be ignored - you can pull a surprise chump on a flyer "safely" sent your way, or even fuel all of your mana during your turn to produce a 21/21 flying Patron and knock someone out of the game. It's the most hilarious thing you can do with this deck. Variations on Patron's pump are also acceptable, this turns him into a formidable two-shotting flying voltron if there's nothing else to do.
  • :check: Garruk, Primal Hunter - If out of plays early, set this guy down and gum up the board to stem the bleeding a bit, maybe draw a few cards if the situation is really dire. Later on, it's like a Rishkar's Expertise minus the free spell part, which makes it a bit worse. However, you can copy it with Rings of Brighthearth, so there's that.
  • :check: Genesis Wave - A gigantic value barf that rockets you forward in development like mad. Whilst a quarter of the deck may be non-permanents, there are a plethora of reasonably redundant combos and a number of permanent-based tutor/recursion options. As such, after you resolve this for a very healthy X, you will almost certainly have some manner of winning the game instantly on the board. I did some goldfishing with X=20 at some point (which is pretty affordable for the deck), 80% of the flipped piles won on the spot in one way or another, don't forget the odds go up with X increasing. Don't forget to leave a few cards in your deck just in case.
  • :check: Greater Good - Don't be afraid to ship Patron to this if your current hand has nothing going on. Going seven deep will probably find something interesting. Doubles up as a form to get something out of the commander in response to removal, and goes ballistic with haste.
  • :check: Harmonize - A simple utility spell that you're happy to have at any stage of the game. Helps power through pre-Patron mana stalls as well as provide some options when you topdeck it with 30+ mana and an otherwise empty hand. Great game smoother.
  • Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Pay six more for your Harmonize, get a horribly scary body that will likely trigger a wrath and take your graveyard with you. Another one of those cards that seem like they'd work but actually don't.
  • :check: Last March of the Ents - Paying eight for a tall draw is perfectly acceptable, especially as there's a chance some free creatures will fall out at the end of it. Note the chance part, the list is not exactly creature dense, so there's a nontrivial possibility this does not earn you back the mana overhead relative to something like Return of the Wildspeaker. However, it does feel pretty good to rip this toward the end of the draw spell chaining and drop stuff for free.
  • :check: Majestic Genesis - Stuck somewhere in limbo between the tall draw options and Genesis Wave, inheriting the drawbacks of both. You don't get to keep non-permanents like the former, and don't get the crazy reach of the latter. Still a solid value play, and does not care about Patron being on the field, which is nice.
  • Mind's Eye - Draw whenever an opponent draws, simple. Cheap too.
  • Momentous Fall - A one-shot Greater Good sans discard, and with some life gain. I think I'd run the original over this for repeated use, which fits the theme really nicely.
  • :check: Return of the Wildspeaker - It's only fitting that the card announcing Garruk's curse being lifted would give you a choice between an Overrun and a tall draw. We're probably going to be using the first mode a lot, and the fact it's instant may sometimes come in handy in "X: Draw a card" table-round dig scenarios for more efficient card acquisition.
  • :check: Rishkar's Expertise - A potential refuel of seven, along with a free spell cast, for six mana? Don't mind if I do! On the surface it seems troublesome, as people can shoot the Patron out from under you in response, but this won't be too much of a hassle if the Patron is able to tap at the time of the cast anyway. Knowledgeable opposition will shoot out the Patron while summoning sick if able, so if you have a tap-ready Patron you're good to go. Just be mindful of your timing and you're going to get ample value from this AER piece of dumb.
  • :check: Soul's Majesty - Marginally softer to disruption than Garruk/Expertise as it formally targets, but the same principles hold.
  • :check: Sylvan Library - The deck shuffles all the time, so having the power to peek at the top three cards during your draw step (and even eat some more than you're formally entitled to if desired) is very solid. Helps smooth out the early game, goes a few cards in late, you know the drill.
  • Tower of Fortunes - Run for the hills! It's an activated ability that taps! It does offer you pretty good bang for your buck, at two mana per card.
  • Well of Knowledge - Why would I give the opponents the ability to draw as well? I'm going to draw far, far more than they will. Simple. The fact it potentially gives us something to do is offset by the fact it's a really bad draw engine to topdeck later due to the turn delay, and by then the foes are quite likely to sink some mana into this to refuel as well.
5. Mana Ramp
The commander is an eight drop. We need to get there. Plus, once we get there, we can keep going as the various activated abilities are happy to guzzle mana you throw at them.
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  • :check: Arbor Elf - Probably the best mana dork proper for the purposes of the deck, as he combos quite nicely with the mana doublers and occasional enchantment ramp.
  • Basalt Monolith - Goes infinite with Rings of Brighthearth or Mana Reflection, and that's about it. The other mana rock of this ilk (Grim Monolith) only goes infinite with Mana Reflection, so there's that.
  • :check: Boundless Realms - Effectively a nigh untouchable mana doubler. Gets absolutely outrageous if replayed from the 'yard.
  • Burnished Hart - This is the sort of stuff you're stuck running if you're not in green. We are in green. In fact, just green. Nevertheless, we don't need this.
  • :check: Cultivate - Kodama's Reach without the freaky tree hand. Gets two lands. Is good card. This sort of stuff became a staple for a reason.
  • Dawn's Reflection - The any-colour clause does just about nothing for us, plus the ramp's a bit worse than the twin Rampant Growths (doesn't respond to doublers). Potentially useful in the combos which rely on a single land tapping for a lot of mana, but those are reasonably situational and the presence of lots of enchantment ramp stacked on a single land is quite inviting to enemy Strip Mines and their ilk.
  • Exploration - Low land count, and not much way to fish for land to put in hand. Not that good an idea here.
  • Explosive Vegetation - It lacks the "flexibility" of some of the other twin Rampant Growths, which was enough to cost it a slot once enough of those got printed. This still does the job just fine though.
  • Farhaven Elf - 3 mana for 1 land, but leaves behind a chump blocker. A time-honoured ETB ramp chicken, but we don't flicker things reliably enough to care. Our ramp choices are more efficient.
  • Fertile Ground - Not quite as cheap as a Utopia Sprawl/Wild Growth, and not quite as resilient/responsive as Rampant Growth. Let's keep the land auras to the strictly most busted ones.
  • Fertilid - Looks awesome on paper. Then you realise you're actually paying 7 mana for 2 land with no way to refuel the counters. Pass.
  • Frontier Guide - Can result in some crazy ramp with Patron while you're still digging for an engine. Is too expensive to use to ramp up to Patron though.
  • Grow from the Ashes - Well yes, Skyshroud Claim is better, but this is still not too shabby. Plus, there's the panic button hardcast Search for Tomorrow mode in case you need it.
  • Harrow - Whilst it only effectively ramps 1, it nets you 2 untapped lands to work with, allowing you to continue ramping. This actually produces mana if you have any doublers online. It opens you up to an easy 2-for-1 though, and still ultimately costs three mana to net you one bonus land.
  • Harvest Season - Same old issue of creature density disables yet another card potent in more standard green lists. Did work in my merfolk deck.
  • Hunting Wilds - Another twin Rampant Growth, this time with some fancy kicker that won me the game once (hasted bodies to sponge up infinite Craterhoof bounces) but will remain dormant 99.9% of the time. Still, possibility!
  • :check: Into the North - A perfectly valid reason, along with Extraplanar Lens, to run a snow mana base.
  • :check: Jaheira's Respite - The deck is squishy in the early game before it's done ramping up and deploying. Seasoned opposition will exploit this and try to kill you before you get going. Protect your life total while ramping! True, it's a bit of a swingy card, but the ceiling does a remarkable job of covering a huge weakness.
  • :check: Joraga Treespeaker - On the whole, Elfball is a bad idea as you're committing your ramp to the most easily removable permanent in the game. This particular elf is just too good to pass up though. If given the opportunity to work together with Rampant Growth or any other piece of 2-mana ramp, you can power out a turn three Mana Reflection. Responds to Patron untaps too. Useful just about always.
  • :check: Khalni Heart Expedition - Takes a turn or two to "charge up", but is well worth it with the two land return. The only two-drop that ramps more than one land!
  • :check: Kodama's Reach - Cultivate without the normal human hand. Nominally a smidge worse as Hisoka's Defiance exists.
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  • :check: Mana Crypt - Probably the best mana rock ever printed. Like Sol Ring, fails to be untapped by Patron. However, it does accelerate early plays to a ridiculous degree. Turn one Kodama's Reach? Sure. And so on in this fashion, just whip it out whenever needed and watch the groans unfold. Skip it if you don't already own it, the price on it is back way past anything even close to justifiable.
  • Market Festival - Dawn's Reflection II: Electric Boogaloo. The land ramp spells are a better use of four mana.
  • Migration Path - Hello, I am a land ramp spell for four mana, and as such am a better use of said four mana. It comes with optional cycling which will likely never be used. Nevertheless, the fact the rider is there makes this thing better than mechanically identical ones that don't have anything extra stapled on.
  • Mind Stone - Probably the best two-drop mana rock in here due to how coloured-heavy the land base is. Avoid using mana rocks outside of the strictly most optimal ones, though - they don't respond to Patron untaps, and are more fragile than land ramp.
  • :check: Nature's Lore - Two mana, an untapped forest arrives in play. Good times. Pity about it lacking functional reprints that aren't from obscure sets designed for the Asian market.
  • :check: Nissa's Pilgrimage - Cultivate++, the spell mastery clause is quite probable mid game due to the ramp spell/tutor density. And even if the spell mastery doesn't trigger, it's still a Cultivate, which is nothing to sneeze at either.
  • :check: Open the Way - A twin Rampant Growth at base level, but can flexibly scale up/down in mana expenditure and returns. This makes it a fantastic mid-game ramp spell that can help bridge the gap toward Patron acquisition.
  • Oracle of Mul Daya - Ultimately suffers from the same drawbacks as Exploration. The lands get yanked out of the 99 and thrust onto the table with a salvo of ramp spells, decreasing the odds of cheating in that land off the top.
  • :check: Overgrowth - A very respectable non-land ramp jolt - +2 mana for 3. Shaving one CMC off the land auras makes them worth it, talk about efficiency! Works well with land-untap-centric combos as well, even if they are a little situational.
  • :check: Rampant Growth - Two mana, land arrives tapped this time. Nevertheless, a classic. Getting to four mana turn three is pretty solid for the various twin copies of this...
  • Ranger's Path - ...such as this one. Was in the list for a long time, got shaved due to similar ramp slot saturation/minor fireworks displays that took out Into the North and Explosive Vegetation.
  • Reshape the Earth - Ramping ten lands is awesome, but costing nine to do so is not. The deck tends to want to switch gears a little once Patron lands, and ramp can cost all the way up to seven, but things get clunky in sequencing once the price tag hits eight.
  • :check: Sakura-Tribe Elder - Obviously Rampant Growth wasn't good enough so they put it on a body so you can chump before you dig up the land. If encountered later, can be combined with Rings of Brighthearth for extra value.
  • :check: Search for Tomorrow - If not suspended, Wood Elves without the chump blocker. If suspended, one of the only turn 1 plays the deck has. Helps accelerate the 4cmc plays, which as mentioned before tends to be quite handy.
  • :check: Selvala, Heart of the Wilds - When you control Patron, this bugger taps for six. That's just ridiculous. Play this before Patron and most likely get a card when you play Patron too. Where does it end? Probably with some ludicrous combo. It shouldn't be too surprising Selvala facilitates those pretty well.
  • Shefet Monitor - An instant-speed Nature's Lore with a cantrip stuck on. Pretty decent, but a little clunky in both the ramp and draw department.
  • :check: Skyshroud Claim - Ohh, a twin Nature's Lore! What a pleasant surprise. Mana neutral with a doubler out, mana positive with multiple doublers.
  • :check: Sol Ring - What? I did say that the strictly most optimal mana rocks are worth running, and this is very tractable financially. This thing makes a turn two Skyshroud Claim possible, that's reason enough.
  • :check: Terramorph - By the time you untap and draw, this has netted two lands' worth of ramp. The fact that one of said lands arrives untapped immediately makes this sequence a bit better in the early game than classic twin Rampant Growths, as every now and then you get to make a play you otherwise wouldn't.
  • :check: Three Visits - A functional Nature's Lore reprint from a niche set for an Asian market. Expensive beyond reason, due to scarcity alone. I'm surprised this hasn't been reprinted yet, what's so troublesome about sneaking this in somewhere?
  • Traverse the Outlands - The card looks bomb on paper, but it plays like a brick. This thing is never played on curve, and only ever reliably comes online with Patron himself. Five mana for seven basics is pretty damn good, but the deck likes its ramp to curve out nicely and be independent of other factors.
  • :check: Utopia Sprawl - The Llanowar Elves that's actually an enchantment so it doesn't die as easily. If played turn 2 and onward, is mana neutral on the turn you cast it. Run these in all your green decks, yo!
  • Verdant Confluence - Triple Rampant Growth that can optionally flip into Nature's Spiral. The flexibility is nice, but the thing ends up somewhat underwhelming no matter what you end up doing. Don't forget you're got Mana Reflection at the same CMC and Boundless Realms for one mana more.
  • :check: Wild Growth - Utopia Sprawl, copy 2. The point still stands, and I recommend running these.
  • Wood Elves - The best of the ramping three-drops as the forest comes in untapped.
  • Yavimaya Dryad - Another ETB land getter.
6. Mana Doublers
Having a massive stack of lands is not enough, let's make them tap for a silly amount each to get even more resources to sink into stuff. Features some extra untappers for lack of a better place to put them.
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  • :check: Caged Sun - A lovely selfish mana doubler, also pumps all your dudes a bit. This may actually become relevant with Selvala, Heart of the Wilds.
  • Dictate of Karametra - Oh, I get it, it has flash so we can get the use out of it first. Yeah no, keep this 5 mana Heartbeat of Spring away from me.
  • :check: Extraplanar Lens - Talk about a high risk, high reward card. You open yourself up to a tempting 2-for-1, but you only need to commit three mana and a forest to double all your other lands. Run a snow mana base to make this asymmetric!
  • Gauntlet of Power - A 5 mana doubler that also helps out other green guys. No thanks.
  • Heartbeat of Spring - True, it's very cheap. It also happens to help out everybody. Leave it for all the Phelddagrifs of the world and stick to the other options.
  • Illusionist's Bracers - Extra Patron untap! If it's your turn, make all the mana possible and then transfer this over to your token engine/Kamahl for twice the value from those as well. The joy of copying activated abilities in a deck made out of activated abilities. However, the nature of the activated abilities of the deck make this a multiplicative, situational mana doubler.
  • :check: Keeper of Progenitus - This is almost as bad as Heartbeat of Spring, why run it? Simple, really - it answers to tutors, which we have a lot of and often end up with a surplus of. It only helps out our allied colours, at least, so we won't be sending Mr. Dimir into the stratosphere. Still, it's a double-edged sword that can spectacularly blow up in your face, so proceed with extreme caution.
  • Magus of the Candelabra - A lot of potential for a one-mana body, as he stacks like a beast with all sorts of other doublers and the usual activated ability abuse culprits. Partakes pretty well in combos. However, if none of his synergy pieces are available, he does literally nothing. The manner in which he comes online makes him a wonderful definition of win-more for the deck.
  • :check: Mana Reflection - More selfish doubling, this time on an enchantment, making it a tiny bit more resilient. The double-everything nature makes it work quite well with the beefier mana chickens in some combos.
  • Nissa, Who Shakes the World - Five mana doublers that can be attacked don't seem too good. If you're in a position to defend her to have her ultimate, the game won't last long enough for her to ultimate.
  • :check: Nyxbloom Ancient - This deck is all about doubling, how about effectively stapling two doublers together? One for the biggest mana decks in the land, and Patron is certainly one of those.
  • Regal Behemoth - The fact this gets turned off when you get punched (with you being able to punch the monarchy back not looking super likely), and incentivises punching you, makes it far too unreliable an option to run.
  • :check: Rings of Brighthearth - The plain use case of this is an extra Patron untap for two mana. However, this can be used to copy other activated abilities and isn't restricted to creatures, unlike Illusionist's Bracers. That grants it a surprising degree of flexibility, including extra draws/tutors from the artifact options, overruns from Kamahl, ramp from Steve/Blighted Woodland, plus the occasional kooky combo speed-up.
  • Seedborn Muse - Another extra untap... but this time, instead of tinkering around with activated abilities, you get to re-use the handful of things that tap to work, like Citanul Flute or Planar Portal. Also puts on a pretty decent Patron impression if the real Patron is unavailable for whatever reason.
  • :check: Vernal Bloom - Cheap, and only helps out other green guys. That's not so bad.
  • :check: Virtue of Strength - While not quite as degenerate as Nyxbloom due to answering to fewer tutors and not amplifying the handful of rocks/dorks around, tripling the lands is plenty good on its own. The adventure might be of use early game to recycle Steve or pick up a haphazardly deployed Selvala.
  • Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger - In today's obvious statements, the sun rises in the east, capers are inedible and praetors are stupid. This is an on-colour praetor that synergises with the game plan of the deck by doubling your mana and stunting everyone else's. Fair and balanced. However, his 8 cost makes him surprisingly hard to sequence, especially in a deck that's as keen to get its eight-drop commander as this one is. Plus, just like all the other praetors, he's likely to bait out removal, possibly of the wrath persuasion. Seems like he should work, but just doesn't.
  • :check: Zendikar Resurgent - Whilst the seven mana price tag is still a bit ludicrous, it sequences perfectly into Patron and we can put up with it. In return, we get another engine piece that we can use to draw our deck when going Temur Sabertooth full potato stupid mode, and even when not doing that it grabs a few cards from natural gameplay events to help deal with whatever may arise.
7. Recursion
Having a few cards in the deck capable of picking up something from the graveyard is usually a good idea for resilience and general flexibility. Green gets to have the best to-hand recursion for whatever reason, let's use some of it.
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  • :check: Eternal Witness - Tutorable, 3 mana to grab a card, and leaves behind a dude who can befriend Temur Sabertooth? Sign me up.
  • Greenwarden of Murasa - Potentially gets to recur two things, but also costs six to get online.
  • Praetor's Counsel - The ultimate graveyard recursion tool, for the ultimate price. I tend to keep my recursion low to the ground in this list though. Cracking this bad boy in a typical game will bring back a thing or two that you actually want and a high number of ramp spells while the board's mana is destined to already be well sculpted, given the fact you just spent eight on this. The extra ramp spell overhead isn't bad, mind you, but the advantage of something like Wildest Dreams in this shell is that it can also come in early game and help power through a ramp stall.
  • Recollect - Three mana, grab a card. That's pretty good, I'm cool with that.
  • :check: Regrowth - Two mana, grab a card. That's even better, I'm cooler with that.
  • Reito Lantern - A gut-wrenching resilience upgrade with Planar Portal (or any tutors really), doubles as graveyard hate otherwise. Ultimately, its super narrow "tech" scenario doesn't tend to come online and this thing just rots in hand or on the field.
  • Restock - 2 cards, 5 mana. Not a bad price of mana per card, but Seasons Past is one mana more...
  • Revive - The drawback only prevents us snagging artifacts (or lands, if for some crazy reason you want to spend two mana to get a land out of your bin). There was a game where I fetched a busted Planar Portal, but on the whole this should run okay.
  • Seasons Past - Six mana, recur a whole bunch of stuff from the graveyard. Potentially clunky if you actually care about multiple things with the same CMC. Also, for two mana more you could just have Praetor's Counsel...
  • Skullwinder - Whilst you'd probably usually find a way to have the drawback be relatively neutral to you, it's probably better to not risk it and leave effects like this to dedicated bizarro political/huggy builds. The fact it leaves behind a rattlesnake (harr harr) is handy though.
  • Wildest Dreams - Its base form is a self-exiling Recollect, but it has the potential to stretch out for more targets, mana permitting. Having a base functionality that's reasonably cost efficient with some potential gravy on top seems like a good deal.
8. Removal
Having the potential to interact with what other people at the table are doing is a vital component of any EDH build. Some of these options come in ETB flavour, allowing us to potentially get extra uses off with Temur Sabertooth.
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  • Acidic Slime - 5 mana to pop an artifact/enchantment/land, and leaves behind a nice deathtouch body. Pretty okay, but Brutalizer Exarch costs just one more.
  • :check: Beast Within - The 3/3 is negligible in EDH. Whoo green Vindicate!
  • Brutalizer Exarch - Seems a bit costly at 6 mana, but a good piece of tech. It can tuck some non-creature unpleasantness, or grab you a creature Worldly Tutor-style in a pinch. This deck can easily pay for it, so it's a welcome versatile piece of tech. Does stupid things with Temur Sabertooth and a huge, potentially infinite, mana pool.
  • Duplicant - Tutorable colourless creature removal, abusable with Temur Sabertooth. Somewhat obsoleted by Meteor Golem.
  • Force of Vigor - Hey cool, green got a Return to Dust-like with an exile clause for emergencies. Very solid option, but I prefer to keep my removal more hit-all when a list runs as little interaction as this one.
  • Meteor Golem - You front the standard seven mana for colourless removal, and this time around it comes on a body to obliterate just about anything you may need gone. The creature part is weirdly nice in a green deck, given the colour's notorious clunky solutions to enemy troops.
  • Nature's Claim - Like a Swords to Plowshares for artifacts/enchantments. Cheap is good in EDH interaction land, but the same sentiment as was echoed for Force of Vigor continues to hold true.
  • Reclamation Sage - Tutorable, hence useful. Cheap, too - 2 cheaper than ooze and the loss of functionality is negligible in the face of trying to optimise resource expenditure when in a pickle. Also, as always, any friend of Temur Sabertooth is a friend of mine.
  • Scour from Existence - The instant speed, exile, and lack of colour identity are all nice, but the seven mana price tag balances it out. The more recent version on legs is closer in contention, the legs make him more tutorable and potentially abusable, even if he loses exile in the process.
  • :check: Song of the Dryads - Say it with me: "Your commander is now a forest". Isn't that beautiful? Hits all sorts of indestructible nastiness as well, there's little reason to not run this in any deck with green in it.
  • Terastodon - Sure, goes big, but it's extremely expensive for something that isn't hit-all (sometimes creatures are harshing your mellow).
  • Tornado - The tool of choice to get rid of multiple unwanted objects. The life expenditure needs to be watched, don't go too trigger-happy on this.
  • Ulvenwald Tracker - You'll have a 7/7 on the table that you can smash against something of your choice every turn for a meagre investment of 2 mana. There will almost certainly be things that you can eat up, messing up someone's day.
  • Woodfall Primus - Similar sort of complaints as Terastodon, it costs a fortune and doesn't even smash everything.
9. Lands
The fact that Patron untaps all forests, in conjunction with Extraplanar Lens paranoia, sets the bar extremely high for non-basics. So high, in fact, that literally one made it into the list so far. Here are a few tech options for you anyway.
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  • :check: Blighted Woodland - Whilst more expensive to activate than Myriad Landscape, the fact it doesn't come in tapped makes it far easier to play with in the early game ramp cascade. Helps out Khalni Heart Expedition, good friends with Rings of Brighthearth, turns into forests for Patron to untap in a reasonably timely manner.
  • Boseiju, Who Endures - An untapped land that can double as a removal spell. Doesn't respond to Patron though, which is a bit of a bummer.
  • Dryad Arbor - Potential GSZ for X=0 turn 1, but leads to similar early game stumbles as Myriad Landscape if one of the few lands in an opening hand.
  • Gaea's Cradle - There are literally two instances in the game where you'll be happy to tap this for mana - your last opponent's end step before you win the game with swarm, and during your turn before you win the game with swarm. You don't need this to win with this deck, and it actually actively gets in the way most of the time.
  • Hall of the Bandit Lord - The fact it gives Patron haste is lovely, but it's awkward to play around in Myriad Landscape fashion due to the lack of co-operation with doublers and coming in tapped. There's also the life drain, which may be problematic if you're getting aggro'ed. It's nice that the haste persists past end of turn, allowing you to proceed with swarm mode, but doesn't work with Patron bounce combos. I mean, that would be a hell of a hurdle for a land to clear, if I'm being honest, so can't hold that against it.
  • Myriad Landscape - Looks awesome on paper, feels amazing when things go right with Khalni Heart Expedition and/or Rings of Brighthearth. If present in a hand with a nice ramp chain starting turn one, or encountered mid game, reveals its true clunky nature. Mixed bag.
  • Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx - Doesn't respond to Patron, also your green devotion is next to nonexistent most of the time.
  • Winding Canyons - The flash range being limited to creatures makes this quite impractical for the deck.
  • Just about every other staple EDH nonbasic - doesn't respond to Patron or do anything relevant to this deck's game plan



Piloting the Deck


Deck Strategy in Shellnut
  • The main goal of the deck is to land a quick Patron and either piece together an infinite mana combo, winning on the spot, or use all of the mana he produces to create tokens off engines like Ant Queen.
  • The token swarm is then used to kill everybody, its hitting power drastically improved by finishers like Kamahl, Fist of Krosa. Kamahl also doubles up as a good instakill option in combo mode, creating arbitrarily sized tramply land creatures out of thin air if given infinite mana.
  • The progression of a typical game is extremely linear - ramp like crazy, play Patron, evaluate if you're going to combo or swarm, proceed combo or swarm, kill everyone with a gigantic board. If you get disrupted, repeat until you don't get disrupted.
  • Start the game off by playing out your ramp spells, mana doublers and Patron protection/haste enablers. You want to have a good mana base for Patron to work with once he comes out.
  • Once you have a sufficient permanent base, play Patron. If you don't have the potential to assemble a combo, tutor for a token engine. During each of your opponents' turns, use Patron to untap your land and fuel all the extra mana into token generation. That is Patron's main purpose in the deck - providing mana to create bodies, and later providing mana to fuel into finishers to kill everybody.
  • If the Gods of Magic have not smiled upon you and you don't have a tutor on hand, you do have a few massive activated draw options. Pour your mana into those and go digging for a way to get your engine/finisher online. It's probably a good idea to set those down onto your board even if you have a token engine so you can sink spare mana into more options if you get wiped.
  • Once you have sufficient bodies to kill everybody, get a finisher online (typically with the aid of another tutor), pump all your mana into the finisher's ability, if applicable, and kill everybody.
  • The deck is constructed to execute its game plan reliably and reasonably quickly, there's little in the way of controlling your opponents. There are a handful of removal options available, some responsive to the tutor bulk, use them as needed. You're not a control deck though, just combo out/swarm the board and kill everybody.

1. Early Game (Turns ~1-3)

Only in green, ladies and germs!
Before you begin playing, you obviously need a hand of some sort. Your commander costs 8 mana to play, you want to get there as fast as humanly possible. In order to pull that off, you need as much ramp as you can in your starting hand, but also a link or two to what you'll be doing later. A solid starting hand involves two lands (only ever keep a one-lander if it comes with a Sol Ring, you'll be fine), a few curved out ramp spells and some draw/tutoring. The tutor is usually going to be used to fish for a token producer (most often Ant Queen) once your mana base is fleshed out, unless the pieces for a combo fall into place. If you get a mana doubler and/or haste enabler in there, they're nothing to sneeze at either (a Patron with haste is a reliable combo component, or at the very least speeds up the swarm game plan by a turn). If you luck into a draw enabler, you should probably keep the hand unless it's absolutely atrocious otherwise - it may slow you down a bit, but provides stability in reliably refuelling your options.

Now that you have your hand, ignore what is going on around you almost entirely and get cracking on the ramp. The predominant form of ramp is land-based due to its resilience, as mana dorks die to wraths and other assorted baloney (and it's quite easy to pop mana rocks as well). You are not contractually bound to not do anything productive, mind you - you may place yourself in a good politics position by cracking some removal to get rid of pesky permanents. As the removal options are mostly low-cost, you may be able to get rid of the problem permanent and even squeeze in some extra ramp that turn. Do keep in mind that your priority should be building your mana supply, though. Sequence your ramp spells accordingly, trying to optimise the mana expenditure for each turn. Some of the ramp options available result in lands coming into play untapped, so if you have both those and tapped variants on hand, try to assess the situation and decide what ordering of the spells will allow you to be the most efficient. It's all pretty intuitive, but do keep it in mind.

If you're in possession of a mana doubler, land that as soon as possible. It does what it says on the box - doubles mana. Landing a Vernal Bloom on a 4-forest field makes Patron come out after you untap. It greatly increments your resources, to the point where you'd sometimes want to tutor for it. Keeper of Progenitus ticks that box, curving into a next-turn Patron early and still offering a healthy shot of mana later. However, he is quite a dangerous card to set down, given the fact he's 60% of a Mana Flare, so proceed with caution. Also keep in mind that you have other ramp options that respond to tutors in Arbor Elf, Joraga Treespeaker, Sakura-Tribe Elder and Selvala, Heart of the Wilds. There have been odd, gas-less games where I'd tutor for them just to push myself into the Patron zone of mana. I've been known to crack a turn two Time of Need into a turn three Selvala just about every single time I started with it in hand.

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As mentioned above, every now and then you stall out and your ramp slows to a draw-based crawl. There's not much you can do when that happens, it's part of the game and happens from time to time. Just tough it out. Possibly play out other stuff contained within your hand, but try to keep a low profile. This should be reasonably easy to do and the focus will hopefully shift away from you a little. If you're in possession of graveyard recursion, there's absolutely no shame in using a piece of it to get back a ramp spell for a second go round. Obviously the optimal ramp spell to get back is Boundless Realms, but if you managed to land that you're definitely not mana-starved. If possible, try to keep the recycling to the two-land ramp (think Skyshroud Claim and the like), but I have snatched and re-suspended a Search for Tomorrow in a pickle. In another weird, mana-starved game I put my Diviner's Wand on my Joraga Treespeaker and drew an extra a turn until I hit enough resources to continue with the game plan. Just work with what you have, maybe you'll be able to weasel yourself out of the pit a bit quicker. The goal is to get to big mana, so try to get to big mana.

Everything that doesn't directly advance your mana base is lower priority for now. However, if you have spare mana it's very industrious to put it to use and make progress for the future. The third highest priority item, after doublers and ramp spells, would be Patron haste enablers. The ability to drop down Patron and immediately have access to his mana engine is very, very desirable, and can often lead to surprise combo kills provided the rest of your hand cooperates. However, cracking a Rampant Growth turn two is more desirable than laying down Lightning Greaves for no real reason. Also, it'd be ideal to hold those back and play them on the same turn as Patron for the surprise factor. However, that is understandably nontrivial in most situations because of the required additional mana investment. Combat-wise, you should be completely idle, with the exception of sometimes using one of those land-based dorks to chump block something coming your way. Your time will come and you will go into the red zone. But that comes later.

On the whole, you should consider early game done when you have Patron out on the board. You may be spending some of your resources to further sculpt your mana base once your commander has been cast, but the very fact you were able to play him means that you have a relatively respectable presence. This should allow you to carry on the game plan. The next step - acquire a token producer and create the bodies you'll be killing everybody with, or proceed to assemble an infinite if in the presence of appropriate constituents (refer to the box below for details). But that's in the Mid Game!

Going Infinite
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There are a number of interactions in the deck that will result in an infinite that will kill the whole table in one turn, but they make use of pieces that are harder to tutor for than a token-producing creature and the list is not engineered to get them online every single time. However, if the luck of the draw has been with you, there is no reason not to wedge the constituents together and win out of nowhere. You may even get away with not casting Patron!

The first interaction is Staff of Domination's untap ability. A number of green decks in the format use this on their Elvish Archdruids etc., but we run a more resilient land-centric form of acceleration and as such don't have access to this fine fellow. However, we do have Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, who taps for six if we have Patron out. For fiddlier interactions requiring more pieces, we also have Kamahl, Fist of Krosa, who is capable of animating a land, and Arbor Elf, who can untap a forest for you. Combine them with the mana doublers we run, as well as enchantment ramp (Overgrowth and the like), get yourself a land that can tap for 5 mana, and you have infinite mana at your disposal. Combine the Staff with Rings of Brighthearth and four mana per tap will do (three if you go the Arbor Elf route!). In fact, if you have Rings, then you can technically combine them and the Staff with Joraga Treespeaker and Mana Reflection for yet another way to go infinite. The Treespeaker also goes infinite with Staff and Nyxbloom Ancient out. Get a couple of googolplexes of mana into your mana pool, get Kamahl onto the pitch if he isn't already there, animate your other lands and send a beyond lethal dose of tramply animated land creature at each of your opponents.

Earthcraft allows you to quite easily produce infinite tokens, given enough doubling/land enchanting as described above. If you have more mana per tap on a land than what your engine eats up (should be reasonably easy to do, as the engines are less mana intensive than the staff), you can go for the same Kamahl stun kill. Otherwise, just make an arbitrarily large number of tokens on the end step before your turn and swarm everybody for lethal. Or, if you have a Patron untap available, make an arbitrarily large number of tokens, rip the untap and proceed to reap the benefits of infinite mana. Once again, Rings of Brighthearth can alleviate some mana requirements on the land partaking in the festivities, or even lead to another Earthcraft infinite with Kamahl himself - tap the animated land to untap itself, and copy the ability to untap itself again.

The third interaction involves Patron, Temur Sabertooth and a haste enabler. It's pretty much the equivalent of Deadeye Navigator + Palinchron. Once again, funnel the generated mana into Kamahl and treat everybody to a stupidly large tramply animated land creature on the house. It should be noted that you should pay attention what the rest of the table is doing when you try to "go off" in this manner - as you're performing a plethora of Patron untaps, there's a good chance that the Rhys the Redeemed across from you is spiralling out of control far faster than what you. If this is in danger of happening, only follow this route if you also have a draw engine at your disposal. You can completely smother the whole table now - just follow the instructions in the cheat sheet below. The good thing is that even if it took you forever to get the enemy boards neutered, you are now the only person with resources at the table and can win easily!

For completion's sake, it should be noted that Arbor Elf can stand in for Patron and make infinite mana with the Sabertooth as well. You will need a haste enabler and a land that taps for four (or five if you use Swiftfoot Boots). This comes with the benefit of not feeding the other green decks at the table, in case it turns out to matter. Also, the Sabertooth can combine with Earthcraft to make anything behave akin to an Arbor Elf in this scenario. Rings of Brighthearth cost reductions apply as always. Also, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds can be used if haste is available and she taps for enough mana with Patron out.

Temur Sabertooth Abuse Cheat Sheet
  • Infinite mana - Refer to the cheat sheet at the top of this box for details, your most common option will involve Patron and 11+ mana (12+ mana if your haste enabler is Swiftfoot Boots). 8 mana of each untap goes towards recasting Patron, 2 goes towards bouncing him, the rest can be used up for everything else.
  • Cards - The deck is ripe with draw and tutors, actively tear through the 99 looking for whatever you're missing to get this online. This can happen via chaining draw sevens, activated ability draw, repeat tutors (as you can reset them with Eternal Witness), there are ways.
  • Eternal Witness + Beast Within + Ulvenwald Tracker - Blow stuff up, resetting the removal spell with Witness. Optionally get rid of the resulting 3/3s by chucking an indestructible 4/3 into them, resetting the Tracker via Sabertooth as well.
  • Song of the Dryads + Planar Bridge - If you really need to dismount an ugly fort impervious to Beast Within looping, Song turns a thing into a forest. If you can't muscle your way through targeting restrictions, busting Song straight out of your deck via Planar Bridge does not care in the slightest about hexproof, shroud or whatever. Stick the Song on the problem permanent and keep going.
  • Brutalizer Exarch/Primal Command - Having one of those makes the setup about as catch-all as possible. Unless the opponent has multiple pieces that prevent you from targeting their lands, you should be able to eventually dismount their setup. Tuck critical protection pieces, possibly turning them to forests earlier via Song if needed. You can tuck stuff to your own library too now, so you can repeat the Song + Bridge trick by tucking the Song and resetting the Bridge by destroying and recurring it. Nothing is safe! In practice this is very rarely needed, and the two tuck options are rather unwieldy to run outside of the combo application.
  • Kamahl, Fist of Krosa - Once you get bored of smothering your foes, get this guy out and kill the table with arbitrarily large tramply land creatures.

2. Mid Game (Turns ~4-5)

Swarm or combo? Which is it going to be?
Okay, so Patron is out on the board. Suddenly you have a tidal wave of mana to work with both during your own turn and your opponents' turns, things like Sol Ring taper off in effectiveness as they don't respond to Patron untaps (still, they're too good for the early game to drop them), and you can start doing crazy mana things. Compare your hand state to the combo piece list above and make a choice about whether you're pursuing combo or swarm, and go for it.

Playing Patron occasionally takes a little bit of thought. Whilst you don't really care about wraths and removal on the whole, as you can rebuild from them very quickly, your resilience scales with your mana and board state. As such, you have to be a bit careful about walking your Patron straight into removal that's already on the board. Durdle around until the guy pops the Oblivion Stone, sculpting your land base some more. Just apply some common sense. Having a haste enabler helps a lot here, as it helps you get gas out of Patron the moment he comes down and often leads to quicker combo wins with shorter windows for disruption. Some of the haste enablers come with some semblance of protection too, demanding instant response or condemning your opponents to wraths or sacrifice effects. If you have one on hand but not on the table yet, usually the correct play is to set down the haste enabler first and play Patron a turn later. That's always a turn less of your commander just sitting there awkwardly, waiting to eat whatever removal your foes throw at him. Or, better yet, if possible, ramp up a little in the earlier turn and drop the haste outlet as a surprise in unison with Patron.

If you've got the power to combo, go check the box above for how to go about it. Assuming no combo potential, most often due to the lack of a haste enabler, your number one focus is to pop a tutor on a token engine and swarm the board. The token engine that you'll be fetching is dependent on the resources you have available. If you're capable of tutoring for two or more creatures (be it via Tooth and Nail or just multiple tutors), grab Ant Queen. Ant Queen enables you to make the most cost-effective swarm, with a body for two mana. Her drawback is that she is completely reliant on a finisher to make the swarm lethal, though. Still, her raw efficiency makes her the go-to engine in the games where you've got extra tutors available. If you're only stuck with one creature search, go for Nemata, Grove Guardian. Nemata's token hordes will be less voluminous, as the cost is 3 mana per body instead of 2, but the old timer makes up for it by having built-in pump. Once you go for the swing, just make more bodies with your mana on that turn, sacrifice them off to pump all your attackers, then sacrifice your blocked attackers if so desired to deliver an absolutely massive blast of absolutely massive saprolings. Not quite as efficient as Ant Queen plus a dedicated finisher, but only takes one card slot to pull it off. When fetching your engine, try to save Chord of Calling unless it's literally the only tutor you have available. The instant speed and convoke make it fantastic to use in conjunction with an existing token horde to grab a finisher or a response to an enemy play. Still, there's no shame in cracking one to just get a token engine online if no other options are available.

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Finishers should be kept out of plain sight, for now. The only exception to the rule is Kamahl, Fist of Krosa, as he's an active wrath deterrent. If somebody decides to crack a board wipe, just turn everybody else's lands into 1/1s. This should wrench the opposition pretty hard whilst you retain your mana base at the low cost of a finisher. As your mana base is intact, you should regroup quite quickly and kill everybody without much trouble. Kamahl shines as a defensive/utility tool more often than you could possibly imagine, and often makes your board live through stuff that isn't outright destruction (-X/-X or damage wipes). In a fringe scenario, he once even saved me from land destruction back when I ran Eldrazi Monument.

In the grand scheme of things, tossing Kamahl under the bus to blow up everybody else's lands is a small sacrifice to make, especially as he can be recurred from the bin quite easily when needed again later. However, people aren't all that willing to play wraths when he's present as they can usually work out the impending aftermath. Chord of Calling allows you to sneak him in once a wrath is on the stack, catching everybody off guard and shattering their resources. The mid-game build-up is the time when Chord burns the brightest, as its usual linchpin-fetching duties get augmented with all sorts of reactive wrenching like the above example. It doesn't necessarily have to be Kamahl - sometimes a well-placed piece of ETB removal at just the wrong time can throw somebody's perfectly calculated turn off and buy you enough time to claw your way to victory. The convoke means you often get away with casting it without mana, making it an even more surreal fit for the deck.

Whilst your priority should be getting a token engine and making bodies, sometimes you can't do that thanks to not having a tutor. Similar situation to getting stuck mid ramp. Whilst the list is streamlined to make both have a high number of redundant card choices to work with, every now and then you just get screwed over by the card order and there's not much you can do... or is there? Fortunately, you're a little less at the mercy of the card order here, as there's a few activated draw options that you can pour your mana into which you may have access to. Cards like Staff of Domination allow you to quickly make your way through massive chunks of your deck and are perfect for you - this should hopefully net you some tutoring options, and allow you to go for an efficient token kill or enable you to combo out. Hearty drawing means going more opportunities to pull out one of the combo pieces that are hard to tutor out, like Earthcraft or a haste enabler, so a turn cycle spent digging hard with Patron is usually enough to locate enough resources to throw together some sort of combo to end the game on the spot. The benefits of draw are immense (and the sun sets in the west), so setting down an activated ability draw sink is usually a good idea when you have it, even when you're going for the swarm mode at that precise moment. If somebody wipes, that's something very useful to do with your mana; getting a few fewer insects/saprolings is a small sacrifice to make for the bonus cardboard you can acquire if it all goes south. One way or the other, if killing people isn't the Late Game, what is?

Playing Around Hate
  • Wraths/Targeted Removal - Shrug it off, get your next engine/finisher online. Alternately, if you have the graveyard recursion on hand or can get it easily, just get the one that you just lost back. Preventive measures can be taken with Temur Sabertooth. Potentially shift gears to combo build-up.
  • Removal on a Stick - Think Avatar of Woe and the like. Those aren't that nice. Blow them up, or wait for them to be tapped down, sneak in your dude and snap on a pair of shoes.
  • Bounce - Pfft. That's probably helping you become even more ahead of the rest of the table. Just recast all your stuff.
  • Tuck - If you need whatever was tucked back, use one of your plethora of tutors to get it back.
  • Mass Land Destruction - There's not much you can do to that. You're committing, pretty darn hard in fact, to land-based ramp as the most resilient form and are definitely putting all your eggs in one basket. Absolute blowout.
  • -X/-X Effects - If a Massacre Wurm or something of the sort only hits for turn, then who do you call? Hm? Of course you call Kamahl. Static -X/-X things are a royal pain in the ass though, and you'll have to dig for one of the relevant removal options or hope you land a combo.
  • Creature Activated Ability Shutdown - Shuts off Patron, all production engines and combos. Hurts a number of your draw options too. One of the more game over things that could happen to you. Use whatever limited tools at your disposal to grab hold of a chunk of removal and blow up the source. If it's indestructible, Song of the Dryads may just do the trick.
  • Pillow Forts - You tend to rely on a high number of troops to get the job done, but you also have an obscene amount of mana on tap each turn. Maybe you'll be able to pay off all the taxation. If not, blow the most annoying fort pieces with some removal, or just assemble a combo and blank their fort altogether.

3. Late Game (Turns ~6+)

Probably the most versatile card in the 99
Now all your work is about to pay off - you have a token engine online, one go around the table produced enough bodies, you have means to access a finisher (or your token engine is Nemata, Grove Guardian and is a finisher as well) and enough mana to make your swarm lethal. Alternately, one of the infinite resource interactions hit the board and you've got the potential to end the game right here and now. All it's going to take is a spot of cautious play and you should be good.

Always expect your opposition to try and trip you up. It's a natural thing for them to do, and you can abuse the expected. As mentioned in the previous section, flashing in Kamahl in response to people trying to respond to you can lead to absolute blowouts, don't be afraid to do it. On a similar note, be cautious with your mana expenditure. You want to make bodies in the end, but those bodies will be useless if you get wrathed out. However, if you spend your mana carefully, you'll have enough resources open to flash in Kamahl, animate the enemies' lands, and maybe even draw a bit if you have a draw option online. The easiest way to be cautious with mana expenditures is to only make bodies and crack the Patron untap during the end steps of turns, keeping as many lands untapped as possible whilst rounding off any token costs. If you can smell a Cyclonic Rift in the air as you go for the swing, similarly leave up some mana to rebuild (you probably don't need to fuel all of it into pump to be lethal). It's a small thing, but it helps you deal with all sorts of shenanigans.

Another very obvious thing that shouldn't really need spelling out is overextending. This deck's one of the easiest in the world to avoid overextending with - only ever have one engine on the board at a time, and if there's a finisher on the table and you're not swinging for lethal there'd better be a really good explanation. This way, it won't hurt that much if you get slapped over the head with a wrath. Just go dig for another engine, or recur the fallen one if you have one of the graveyard recursion cards on hand. A nice, dense token swarm or infinite mana combo is going to keep happening over and over again, turning your endgame into a nigh unstoppable cockroach.

Usually, there's only one combat step in the game where you're active, and that's the one where you kill everybody. Sometimes you're forced to go out of your way, though - there may be a hate card around that's hindering your game plan. Your bodies are relatively expendable, so in cases like these send your insects/saprolings en masse to the offending party. You'll probably lose a few to blocks, but soon enough the message should get across and the offending party will be dead. With the problem removed, you can continue your game plan.

Chord of Calling shines here as well. You swing with your dudes, float all of your mana, untap everything with Patron, convoke in your finisher and fuel the mana into pump. What a wonderful, versatile card. On the whole, there isn't really much to say about this, though - it's just going into the red zone with a swarm of tokens and pumping them up to do lethal, it's a pretty intuitive thing to do. This should close out the game, and you can shuffle up and do it all over again!



Kudos
  • Ebline - Thousands of proxies' worth of wisdom patiently passed on through unceasing feedback sessions, both in and out of thread.
  • My playgroup - Creating a fun and supportive environment for me to cook up and refine my jank heaps in.
  • Spellbinder - Reacting to my hipster street cred with laughter instead of reverence.
  • Weebo - Insightful feedback on some old Patron thread reassured me that I'm headed in the right direction.
  • All the posters in the thread, for steering the deck in one way or another. Hunding Gjornersen in particular.
  • Everybody not mentioned who provided their opinions/feedback at any point of the time-space continuum, or even made it down here. You rock!



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Post by Myllior » 4 years ago

Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for putting this together! I actually came across your build a couple of years ago after finding a copy of Patron in my old Mirrodin/Kamigawa collection, and the combination of that beautiful cover image and your description of OHKO'ing people with a stick-wielding slug convinced me that I one day had to build it. I finally built the budget version 9 months ago and immediately smushed my mates to death on Turn 5. (Still has never been a death-by-stick though :pensive: ). The Patron very quickly went from yet another derpy big creature to the most important kill-on-sight target in my playgroup.

Given my lack of the more expensive cards, most of them being combo pieces, combined with the relatively lower power of my playgroup, I recently removed the token generators and put Kamahl, Fist of Krosa in the Head Honcho spot, to make it a bit more of a straightforward beatdown. Despite the demotion, Patron retains his kill-on-sight status; even as part of the 99, there are games where I've recurred and replayed him 5 times over. He's also still very much the star of the deck, as his ability roughly triples the damage I can deal with Kamahl when I don't have infinite mana.

While moving Patron out of the command zone has weakened the more explosive draw cards like Rishkar's Expertise, it's allowed me to incorporate some board protection (e.g. Heroic Intervention) and also some targeted removal (e.g. Duplicant) for the pesky reanimator deck in my group that runs Iona.

Anway that's all I wanted to say for the moment. Thanks again for the great list and for giving me one of my favourite commander decks!
(At some point I need to go back through the primer and check the changes I've made to my deck against it; I'm sure I've made some less-than-ideal substitutes along the way).
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 4 years ago

Hey man, thanks for the reminiscing. The thread's always been a bit ghost town'y, you're my first visitor since 2017, and your tales brought a smile to my face. Kamahl's a mighty fine commander in his own right, I feel he's quite under-utilised. Sorry for the slightly delayed response - I've been tampering with the primer visuals a little, and then they banned Paradox Engine. I'm actually cooking up a minor Patron update, as I think I should emphasise draw a bit more. Probably going to include Greater Good, maybe Soul's Majesty.
 
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Funny story with this one, actually. Shared Summons is a card, and upon seeing it I earmarked Citanul Flute as a replacement. Two tutors should be perfectly sufficient, so for those purposes the new thing is strictly better. However, do we even want to be knee-deep in creature tutors at this point?

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Given the deck's current combo nature, coupled with a reliance on a set of relatively difficult to tutor pieces, deep draw is a bit more relevant than pinpoint tutoring. That's not to say I'm about to strip out all the Worldly Tutors of the world, once you land that Thousand-Year Elixir you need a way to retrieve the Temur Sabertooth to go along with it. The deck has a tall in the command zone and not much wide (unless you're about to swarm-kill the table), so tall-based draw like Rishkar's Expertise has become a thing since I got over an irrational fear of getting Patron shot out in response. To recap - having a tap-ready Patron is enough of a boon to the deck that being allowed to untap with him against experienced opponents means you're almost certainly in the clear to play a "tall draw" with impunity, as had they had something the Patron would have died before then. I should have been running Greater Good for a while now, if I'm to be honest - this thing's fail case is "untap with Patron, rip an untap floating a truckload of mana, go seven deep in search of something relevant to do". Fail case! This gets nuts with haste, and lets you get value if someone chomps a summoning sick Patron. Soul's Majesty rounds out the suite, with all other power-based draws being one-shot sacrifice effects. Taking out the earmarked Citanul Flute and Tornado. Both are relicts from swarm days, and worked well with that strategy and card pool. Shared Summons doesn't ultimately make it in, as it's not better than any remaining tutoring in the list.
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Hey man, thanks for the reminiscing. The thread's always been a bit ghost town'y, you're my first visitor since 2017, and your tales brought a smile to my face.
You're welcome mate! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I guarantee I will always be much slower in responding, so no worries about any delays.

I think that's a great pair of changes you've made with Greater Good and Soul's Majesty. I recently earmarked those two cards as future additions to Kamahl, but am in no rush to grab them; they're decent, but not amazing with him in the command zone. Doesn't help that I keep thinking how much sweeter they are with Patron running the show! Greater Good is a particularly good add as it allows you to draw your deck once you have infinite mana. From there, you can clear your opponents boards using the Planar Bridge|MPS+Song/Exarch/Witness+Reclamation Sage combo in the Primer and swing in without fear of being stopped by any tricks.

I also had another read through the Primer and wrote down my thoughts on how to try and retain the combo strength of the deck (as best as possible) with budget substitutes for the money cards. It ended up being waaay longer than I expected, so I've put it in a spoiler. Would be great to get your thoughts, but feel no obligation to read it. If there's one thing I've learned from it, it's that I really wish I had the money cards.
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Seeing the Primer on the new site has motivated me to read through it again and in particular see how much I can retain the infinite mana aspect of the deck while cutting the cards you mention in the Saving Money section. Even though I've read the infinite mana cheat sheet a few times in the past, it wasn't until now that I truly appreciated how unique Earthcraft, Mana Reflection, Rings of Brighthearth, Staff of Domination and Selvala, Heart of the Wilds are as cards and how they work together to enable most of the infinite mana combos in the deck. (I probably still don't fully understand this, even after another read-through). Given the uniqueness of these cards, it seems that we're limited to doubling-down on the Temur Sabertooth+Arbor Elf/Patron of the Orochi options for generating infinite mana and any substitutes should be made in this context.

The first thing that stands out to me is that Staff of Domination is essentially a superior Temur Sabertooth plus haste enabler in one. We have plenty of creature tutors, so replacing the Staff with another artifact tutor seems most appropriate. I had a look and found five possible cards beyond what's already in the deck: Grinning Totem, Kuldotha Forgemaster, Mangara's Tome, Skyship Weatherlight and Tamiyo's Journal. Of these, Skyship Weatherlight seems the best option, although you're limited to exiling only haste enablers with it if you want to hit one consistently.

Regarding Earthcraft, it's such a unique card effect that I would have no idea how replicate, so I would instead grab a second additional artifact tutor in its place. In my playgroup Grinning Totem would be the pick, as almost every deck has both Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots for me to nab, but if your opponents don't run these, then the choice isn't as clear. I would lean towards Mangara's Tome though, as putting all three haste enablers under it guarantees a hit in three draws, which at worst would be met at the same as Tamiyo's Journal (i.e. three turns). The Forgemaster relies too much on you having artifacts to spare, as well as being subject to summoning sickness. Alternatively, if none of these options appeal, adding extra mass card draw (e.g. Tower of Fortunes) could be the way to go.

Replacing Selvala, Heart of the Wilds is similarly difficult; I believe her specific form of mana generation scaling is unique in Magic and so cannot be replicated. However, if we're focusing on the Cat-Elf-Spirit combo, then an extra tutor for the creature pieces of this combo seems appropriate. I think Shared Summons earns its spot here; finding both non-commander combo creatures or Temur Sabertooth and a protective creature at instant speed being very useful. There aren't currently any cards in the deck that I would qualify as protective, so perhaps replacing one of the other money cards with something like Archetype of Endurance or Soul of New Phyrexia would be possible.

The remaining two cards on my list above are more direct to replace. Rings of Brighthearth is replaced by Illusionist's Bracers because who doesn't love double Patron untaps? With regards to the Temur Sabertooth+Arbor Elf form of the combo, the option that originally worked with a land that taps for three mana (Rings+Greaves/Elixir) no longer works due to the extra mana required to equip the Bracers over activating the Rings. For Mana Reflection, the best budget replacement with regards to the Temur Sabertooth+Arbor Elf form of the combo appears to be Dictate of Karametra, since it assists in meeting the requirement that individual lands tap for a minimum amount of mana and it can be withheld until the last moment since it has flash. If working less towards the combo and wishing to retain strength on the swarm plan, then Magus of the Candelabra seems a good replacement instead.

The remaining money cards - Craterhoof Behemoth, Extraplanar Lens, Mana Crypt, Sylvan Library and Three Visits - aren't vital to the combo, so exactly what to replace this with could vary based on how much one wanted to focus on the combo vs swarm plans. I was lucky enough to already have Craterhoof Behemoth and Extraplanar Lens when I built the deck, but would probably consider Pathbreaker Ibex (swarm) or the Archetype/Soul (combo) I mentioned earlier as a replacement for the Hoof; I'd probably replace the Lens with Dictate of Karametra, if it hasn't already been slotted in to replace Mana Reflection, and Heartbeat of Spring otherwise. For the last three cards, I'd currently go with Mind Stone, Tower of Fortunes and Yavimaya Elder. (If I ended up running the Tower in place of a second additional artifact tutor, I'd probably run Primal Command in place of it).
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 4 years ago

Thanks for the write-up, I was incorrect in recommending the Yisan/elfball infinites. You have to admit that non-creature tutoring gets hella sketchy once you venture out of the realms the list is running (and there's no denying Planar Portal is pretty crazy already!), so it'd probably make sense to kick up the haste granting quota and complement it with more creature tutors. By now there are a few pretty okay ones (Shared Summons, Primal Command) that would work fine both with and without swarm, and there's plenty of haste-granting equipment the list is straying from. Budget section amended accordingly.
 
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Post by Myllior » 4 years ago

Oh wow; all through writing up my last post, I completely forgot that there's other haste-granting equipment! You'd think that would have occurred to me when I was looking up extra colourless artifact tutors (which I definitely agree are super sketchy once you move past the ones already in the list), but apparently not. Talk about missing the forest for the infinitely untapping trees! Now that I look, I see there's no less than four other pieces of haste-granting equipment with Equip . Thank you very much for pointing them out; knowing about them makes planning a relatively budget version of the deck much easier. (Even though I'm running Kamahl, I want to keep a Patron list together so I can change it back quickly when I feel like running him again).
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ELD Change + State of the Deck 2019


Hey would you look at that, Patron gets a second actual relevant utility card this year. Crazy. The much hyped Return of the Wildspeaker fits right in here as a direct upgrade over Soul's Majesty. Finding a cut was a bit troublesome. Diviner's Wand is objectively the worst card in the 99, but I need my "X: Draw a card" outlets for winning after assembling infinite mana. I scoured the rest of the list, trying to find something else to off.

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I feel I'm less dependent on recursion these days, given the rise of various redundant combo lines and the focus on draw (which this swap further pursues). Plus, one could say that the recent Finale of Devastation is kind of recursion as well. It's not that Dreams did anything wrong, it worked fine for a few years, but it's just a case of good being replaced by better.

Seeing how it was year-end summary time, I figured I'd ride the prior revelation on shifting towards a more draw-heavy setup to try to sneak in the long-ignored Traverse the Outlands. Five mana, seven lands, sounds dece. I looked around for other possible cuts, spotted Rings of Brighthearth. "Eh, this only ever really does anything with the commander," I mused to myself. And then I realised that so would Traverse. And unlike draw, where the tall draw being efficient makes having Patron out a bit of a necessary evil, ramp works fine without the commander. Maybe not seven lands for five mana fine, but it's functional. Given the fact I've taken some pride in the hand-off-wheel, Patron-free wins the list has been pulling off every now and then, I gave old me the benefit of the doubt on this one. There's not a ton else to add philosophically, the previous update focusing on the tall draw did a pretty good job with giving the deck a mildly overdue refreshing. This just continues that trend with a new card, and brings draw up to a nice even 10 units.

It's kind of funny, really. Patron was my second paper deck, assembled five years ago, and five years later my EDH life came close to full circle and I have the power to sling Patron with two of the three people in my original group. The list may largely dwell in the drawer, seeing some action once every two to three weeks, but I'm happy it exists. The primer's come far, including a couple nontrivial content and formatting updates. Five. The first nice round number to be encountered. I guess I'll see ya'll at 10 ;)
 
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Curtain. R&D offices. FRED and STEVE.

FRED: Dammit Steve, we need to come up with some pushed EDH card to shift THB packs. The set's shaping up to be a bit of a dud, we're probably not gonna bother pushing it in marketing or even coughing up for a story e-book. If we need to keep the endless hype train going, we can start campaigning Ikoria early, I guess. Still, pushed EDH card. What do people play in EDH?
STEVE: Green. We've allowed the colour to do anything, so people have flocked to it even harder, so we've started allowing the colour to do even more, so...
FRED: Okay, green it is then. What haven't we done in a while that kids like? A mana doubler?
STEVE: How about we make it interesting... a mana tripler?
FRED: You're a genius, you idiot!

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There's been a nontrivial amount of debate about this bugger in the EDH circles I frequent online. I don't really see why. It's a pretty simple decision on whether this is a bomb or a trap - does your deck already run copious amounts of doubling? Mirror answer to get Nyxbloom Ancient status within the list. Something about the card just rubs me the wrong way, somehow tripling just feels like... lazy power creep? Yeah yeah, I know, pendulum of power, all that stuff, but you know what I'm saying. That doesn't stop it from being a ridiculous include in here, so in it goes over Grow from the Ashes. Grow may be flexible, but it is ultimately a mana more than the corresponding options to account for this. It's the least not-cuttable of stuff in the list, though I'd have to get a lot of games in to see if Diviner's Wand is still "X: draw" protected given the influx of other options.

I dusted off Patron after a fair few weeks, maybe even months, of inactivity for a game yesterday. And what a game it was! An early ramp explosion facilitated by Arbor Elf + Wild Growth resulted in a turn three Patron, which the table promptly scrambled to remove. I spent the next turn ramping up again and chasing out Lightning Greaves. Patron was back out, hasted, on turn five, and immediately debuted Nyxbloom Ancient. The tripling felt really good in this particular shell, as one would expect. Return of the Wildspeaker found Staff of Domination, which didn't have combo potential (the Wild Growth land tapped for just enough to have Arbor Elf infinitely spin his wheels). Still, passing into the table with 29 untappable mana is a pretty good opportunity to massively top up. The table understandably banded together to answer this nonsense. Gisa tutored up Sudden Spoiling and sat on it, while Windgrace set down Evolution Sage and popped Scapeshift. I failed to find Beast Within, so the walker was in ultimate range and I ate the brunt of the meatshot, taking out every single non-land thing I had out apart from Patron. Turns out shroud is handy from time to time. I untap, chase out three consecutive doublers, and ram 40+ mana into Genesis Wave. The Sudden Spoiling is up in the air, so I start resolving the flips. I chance upon Song of the Dryads, which gets to go live on one of the guy's two open black sources. Spoiling out of commission. At this point the game is terminated, seeing how a win is guaranteed. A lovely little reminder why I still maintain the deck and consider it one of my flagship brews, but also why I can't really walk it in my playgroup too often.
 
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I've got to say mate, I love your cutaway scenes; they're always gold.
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That was pretty much my reaction as well, when I first read Nyxbloom Ancient. After I read "permanent" in the first line, my brain automatically inserted "twice", thinking of Mana Reflection. I had to read it again because I was certain I'd misread it.
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This is a great primer. Thank you!

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Post by Rumpy5897 » 4 years ago

Thanks guys. Writing these little skits feels like a more amusing way to let off steam than just ranting into the aether, glad to hear someone likes them. Pardon the somewhat delayed response, I kinda lost the motivation to do anything after all my attempts to change something about my rut of an existence combusted in unison on the same day. And there were other things more aggressively calling for attention.

I've gotten a bit of Patron action recently, and lemme TL;DR this, Nyxbloom Ancient is disgusting here. The sheer mana explosion it brings beautifully facilitates the deck revving up. It's a prime Tooth and Nail target. The push towards draw helps smooth things out as well.
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At the end of the weekly game night yesterday, I realised I had played each of my other active decks that evening and went to get Patron, instructing the rest of the table to power up accordingly. The opener was passable but nothing to write home about, two or three draws in a turn six combo kill with Selvala was sculpted. However, once Selvala hit, the Mayael player started making a racket about her being super dangerous and needing to die. He was not wrong, but I got baited into protecting her with a rushed Swiftfoot Boots that were only going to come out with Patron. My group understands haste needs to die on sight, and the Boots didn't live until I untapped again. The unsheathed Selvala became dragon food courtesy of Mayael soon thereafter. That thing dispensing seven power bolts meant no Patron for me.

Things were not looking great. I had zero board presence, like Patron tends to, and everybody else was doing stuff. I stuck a Zendikar Resurgent, following it with Ring of Three Wishes, but that was it. I was at the mercy of the table, and the table chose not to kill me. Given Mayael's Gisela, all it would have taken would have been a few of Windgrace's never-ending landfall wides. He also chose to not pop a Decimate. Meanwhile, Marchesa robots is going insane in the background, tutoring four artifact creatures to hand per turn cycle, and sets up crazy value interlocking sac/fodder pieces. At some point he decides it's time to end, and goes to get Trike. The thing comes out, and he siphons 18 counters onto it immediately. I've been softly hatching a plan in the back of my mind for a while, but having that fat a Trike around means he can just shoot out my pieces (or me!) when I try to go in. I respond to all his stuff returning in the end step, Ring up Beast Within and pop the Trike to blanket me for a turn. Understandably, I get to eat 17 damage to the face, not doubled as the Gisela died somehow by then. But I am alive.

Untap, Summoner's Pact and play out Nyxbloom Ancient. Earthcraft, essentially netting two mana. Ring up Tooth and Nail, use that for Ant Queen and Eternal Witness. Table scoops before I'm done picking up the Tooth and Nail from the 'yard. The game left a horrible aftertaste though - I only cheesed the win because the table chose not to kill me. The scenario likely led to further reinforcement that Patron just needs to get Nv1'd immediately within the confines of the group. That's the beauty of playing a deck that can go off from thin air. There's no real way to persuade others you're not the threat once you hit a certain mana threshold, even if your hand is garbage. That one card might be Genesis Wave, for all they know. Or whatever piece is missing from the puzzle could be a topdeck away.
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Conceptually unhappy with the deck's performance, I took it out for a walk on Cockatrice to give it a chance at redemption. The resulting game reminded me why I stopped playing with randoms on there. It all started off with one of the players handily rolling multiple times while the other was doing a pointless repeated deck shuffle in chat and picking the result that suited him best, only to get called out on it by yours truly. Promising beginning if I say so myself. I charged up a Khalni Heart Expedition and passed into the table, keeping it around rather than sacrificing it immediately. The ditzy Gishath (untapped Mosswort Bridge, sorcery speed Atzocan Seer without playing what they recurred) tries to force me to sac it in the end step before their turn, making me all the less willing to do so. Oh would you look at that, it buffered my Thousand-Year Elixir against a Pir's Whim, who could have known. I'm slowed down a bit by virtue of having given up two lands to keep it around, but I eventually land Patron. Moat Kaalia starts harping how I've supposedly got a braindead infinite combo with the Elixir and Patron, I have no idea what they're on about so I tell them to read the card and proceed. Time of Need gets Selvala, use the mana off her to Return of the Wildspeaker. Untap her with Elixir, dump Extraplanar Lens, tap a couple lands to help out with Tooth and Nail. Oh would you look at that Nyxbloom Ancient and Eternal Witness, who picks up Temur Sabertooth who got wheeled by Moat Kaalia earlier. I easily have enough mana left over to kickstart the Selvala variant of the infinite, which leads Moat Kaalia to erupt in hard caps lock nerd rage calling me every name under the sun. I didn't even get to demonstrate the kill. I mean, excuse me, you're trying to slam randoms on the internet with Moat Kaalia, and plopped in Vilis as the one fatty you got to drop in before you died. I don't think janky slow motion glass cannon green combo is overpowered in this match-up.
 
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 4 years ago

Thank you, that's nice of you to say. Turns out having ridiculous amounts of mana lets you pay 12 for a Demonic Tutor and not bat an eyelid. Jank tends to respond well to good support stuff, your ramp, your draw, and green does both of those well. Some could argue too well, in fact :P

I've taken to Cockatrice recently as a way to fill the time, and Patron hasn't had a lot of action. The pubs tend to be considerably more removal heavy than my meta, and stuff like Mana Reflection is conventionally threatening. One could argue that I have the surprise factor of them not knowing the combos inside out, but a solid mana buildup tends to get you noticed anyway. The deck's not in danger of being disassembled, it's still my beloved pet jank creation, but I'm a bit jaded towards it at the moment. I'm bound to rediscover its awesomeness soon enough though ;)
 
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 4 years ago

IKO/C20 Change


After a period of aggressively useful stuff plopping out with nearly every set, we're hopefully back to a relative lull. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Nothing really meriting discussion, apart from a borderline cosmetic upgrade to a classic ramp option brought by IKO.

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Will I ever realistically use the cycling on Migration Path? Almost certainly not. Nevertheless, it's there, so the card is technically better than Explosive Vegetation. I used the Hunting Wilds kicker once to do some lopsided finish to a dodgy infinite mana setup, so you never know. With that, the era of the plain twin Rampant Growth comes to an end. This is admittedly on me, as I reduced their count to three at some point to fit Keeper of Progenitus back in. Still - Hunting Wilds, Migration Path, Skyshroud Claim. Each does something more than just be a twin Rampant Growth. Migration Path may be the only recent one in this list, but there was also Circuitous Route recently. That one got a pass as Patron doesn't care about gates. Wonder if there are any more Explosive Vegetation++ variants coming up.
 
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 3 years ago

Finally, a (dual) set release and nothing for Patron. This is a good thing - green has had plenty of ridiculous stuff thrown its way in recent years, and one can hope that this is a sign of WotC acknowledging it and trying to do something about it. Garruk's Uprising and Elder Gargaroth are both kind of silly in their own way, but it doesn't seem to be the same level of craziness as previously. JMP brought some nice reprints though - 2020 is definitely the year to stock up on Selvalas, and even Hoof got himself in the set. Neat! :)
 
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 3 years ago

ZNR hits, nothing makes its way in. Good. Vastwood Surge is yet another Explosive Vegetation++, but this particular perk is of little relevance to the list. Bala Ged Recovery // Bala Ged Sanctuary is nice and all, but I've been extremely picky with regards to non-forest lands over the years.
 
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 3 years ago

CMR hits, nothing makes its way in. Good. By far the best thing about the set from the deck's perspective is Three Visits - at uncommon! Snap up a bunch when given the chance to. There are some other nifty reprints in Staff of Domination and Rings of Brighthearth.

The closest include consideration would be Reshape the Earth, and it's not that close. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger was tried out a number of times, and costing eight was just clunky in sequencing. Paying all the way up to seven (Boundless Realms, Nyxbloom Ancient, Zendikar Resurgent) for ramp is cool, but any more than that and it becomes awkward. Kinda like Traverse the Outlands doesn't seem to work either, despite a seven-power commander. Ramp needs to be able to do ramp stuff before Patron lands. Less close considerations are Jeweled Lotus (the deck already doesn't run Mana Vault) and Kodama of the East Tree (kind of like a doubler, as if you spend X mana on permanent spells you potentially get X mana's worth of stuff from hand; the deck is quite spell-heavy and devotes a lot of resources to activated abilities).

...I'm almost sad I won't get to do this though :P

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Post by Rumpy5897 » 3 years ago

I honestly don't remember the last time a spoiler season was this uneventful for Patron. There were plenty of recent ones where nothing made its way in, but there'd be some cards meriting some theoretical consideration at least. Or some nice reprints. KLD has literally nothing. I'm okay with that, don't get me wrong, but it hardly makes for entertaining reading. See you next time :P
 
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The main thing of note for Patron in STX/C21 is Thousand-Year Elixir getting reprinted in one of the EDH decks. About time, Elixir should now join Rings of Brighthearth and Staff of Domination in the crazy effective reprint price drop club. In terms of new cards, there's nothing to write home about. Ecological Appreciation hands the decision off to the opposition, so while you can pull out a bunch of combo pieces and power players and hope the foe makes the incorrect choice, given what's hidden in your hand, it is just too unreliable. There's a bunch of six-mana ramp-threes already that are not being ran, so Verdant Mastery being two Cultivates glued together does very little to interest me. Or I could have an Explosive Vegetation plus land to hand, and an opponent gets to have a Rampant Growth with a Forest out of my deck. Pass :P
 
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MH2 Change


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Once Terramorph got itself revealed, I did the only sensible thing there is to do - I pulled the deck up and went goldfishing. In ~20% of hands, the fact a single land immediately comes in untapped led to superior early game play sequencing. By contrast, the fact that this only nabs one land at once means that there's marginally less mana netted for Patron untaps on the turn this gets cast. Assuming an unglamorous setup, Patron and eight lands as the spell gets cast, Terramorph sets up nine untappable lands while an Explosive Vegetation variant goes up to ten. Pass into a table (doesn't matter on the turn, as one untapped land versus two tapped) and you get 27 vs. 30 mana. A net loss of 3 mana, 10% in this case, likely less in practice as Patron + 8 mana is on the lower end of setup potency. That's 1.5 ants less, still making enough width to Hoof the table out of existence.

I outlined this hair-splitting dilemma and sat on it for weeks, unable to make my mind up either way. I aired my doubts in a Discord chat today, to what Wildfire393 opined that the early game thing sounds a lot more relevant. Which it honestly is, given the worst case scenario outlined above. As such, swap time! Migration Path out, as I've actually used the kicker on Hunting Wilds once to win a weird game. To quote Wildfire from an earlier conversation, you don't cycle your Explosive Vegetations anyway.

While green is viewed as the most pushed colour in MH2, not all that much else is of interest for the deck. Foundation Breaker and Timeless Witness are side-grades to established options, and not ones I'm tempted by. Gaea's Will looks pretty fun. Recently built and tweaked decks have reminded me how cheap ramp and Explorations are good, and Cultivates are not. While porting some of the findings here would be nice, it's not the most transferable stuff - those decks have an easier time drawing cards consistently, whereas this one is quite dependent on Patron to be around to fuel up. I can't exactly stick in more draw to grease up the wheels, as green's draw is conditional and the flavour that works here is the Patron-dependent tall. Without fuelling up, consistently hitting land drops is harder, so the Cultivates actually become useful for that.

Also, some folks around the board seemed to imply they've got Patron decks. Feel free to stop by! It's a bit quiet in here :P
 
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Also, some folks around the board seemed to imply they've got Patron decks. Feel free to stop by! It's a bit quiet in here :P
I've had Patron for ages, and it's always been blown out by wipes because I went extremely heavy on the mana dorks. While the mana rocks you mention would go off my defined theme, I should reconsider the enchantment and sorcery based ramp options, and revisit the number of tutors that I run. I'll work on that.

I also never really though about lightning greaves/boots. If I end up with space one of those should make it in.

I'm always going to recommend my favorite bad card in Patron: Avarice Totem. Doubling activating to give away tokens for bombs is a mana inefficiency that this deck can take over virtually any other.
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 2 years ago

The way the ramp suite is structured in the deck is the result of 2014 me being very cautious with stuff, and figuring out early on that lands are largely untouchable. This has largely served me well, so I haven't gone out of my way to alter it. In fact, every time I consider adding a dork, I go through the rounds of debating if it contributes enough to be worth it :P The tutor density is also a relict of the early design. Needed to find a swarm engine, needed to find a finisher, both are finite, so tutors. In the current combo age, tutors are still appreciated, as they can help find the missing piece and do the thing. Nyxbloom Ancient is seriously no slouch either as a tutor target. Being able to combine it with Ant Queen out of a Tooth and Nail if Earthcraft is around has upped the rate at which I go for Earthcraft infinites quite a bit. And those tend to work out mighty fine in a commander independent fashion - ten mana plus Earthcraft allows Nyxbloom + Eternal Witness off the first Tooth and Nail into Ant Queen + Temur Sabertooth off the second one.

Yeah, haste pieces I greatly recommend. I see you make your own pseudo-haste with a couple snakes, but a hasted Patron effectively accelerates the clock by the turn he'd sit there useless otherwise. I like the cuteness of Avarice Amulet and appreciate the deck's ability to sink mana into it, but at the same time you acknowledge it's best done with tokens. This makes its effective window very narrow.

The never-ending spoiler season has yielded AFR. The most viable include is Druid of Purification, which adds one more mana to Reclamation Sage to try to get opponents quibbling with each other and yield more value. In infinite mana online mode, this sounds perfect. If viewed at from a lens of trying to sequence this earlier in the game, the extra mana may make a difference, and the surgical removal should be enough. However, is it worth it to cough up three mana for this? That's as much as Beast Within/Song of the Dryads ingest to handle anything. Is it worth to have Brutalizer Exarch with his crazy six mana rider? Aside from these musings, AFR offers little. Long Rest is another conditional multi-recursion spell. Wild Endeavor is six mana for an expected 3.125 (1*1/16 + 2*3/16 + 3*5/16 + 4*7/16) land yield and some extra beasts.
 
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 2 years ago

Nothing from MID merits consideration. The closest would be Outland Liberator, given its interesting back side and default Qasali Pridemage mode of operation. This deck prefers ETBs due to Temur Sabertooth, so Reclamation Sage gets to stay.
 
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 2 years ago

VOW has even less to consider. I didn't take note of a single card for the deck during preview season, and I'm not forcing one in here for the sake of having something :P
 
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