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Are we allowed to comment on other people designs once they've been judged?
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For the record, I don't agree with the flavor text as it is either. There was a real moment there when I just considered replacing it, but then preferred writing for the character, not for the author.
Acknowledged. Can I have confirmation that this is the official position from here on out? Because that's how I write text cards. That's not going to change. Though I can avoid cards that refer to themselves by name in the future for that extra point.
Thanks for the work, Judges. I recall doing the dirty duty myself and I know why I keep on this side of the contest. There is no job more to be appreciated than the one you don't want to do yourself. : )
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That is the official position. Cards should appear like they would in Gatherer. So placeholder tildes are not kosher and you'll get marked off for them.
Psst, check the second page of Custom Card Contests & Games! Because of the daily contests, a lot of games fall down to there.
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Thanks for the quick judging! And while it appears I won't be moving on to the next round, I appreciate the thoughtful feedback.
I have one question about the wording on the card, you mentioned that 'damage to them' should have been 'damage to that player'.
I looked up this wording and found it on Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage Looking more carefully now, I see it's somewhat of an anomaly. Is there a reason that Davriel uses 'them' when most of the other cards use 'that player'?
That's a good question. I can't give an in depth analysis at the moment, but I was able to find a card with similar wording: Rivalry. If I were to take a guess right now, in my sleep-deprived state, I'd say it's used in the case of damage dealing triggered abilities formatted this way: "At player upkeep, if <insert condition that says "that player" somewhere>, then deal <this much> damage to them."
Honestly, if that's what it is, it seems like a strange corner case.
Honestly, if that's what it is, it seems like a strange corner case.
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Yup, "them" is there meaning "that player" because "that player" has already been said.
Psst, check the second page of Custom Card Contests & Games! Because of the daily contests, a lot of games fall down to there.
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As the author of the guidelines, I confirm that this is indeed the official position, as it's always been in the MCC by the way, exactly for the reason that void_nothing already pointed out:SecretInfiltrator wrote: ↑4 years agoAcknowledged. Can I have confirmation that this is the official position from here on out?
This is another thing I forgot to put into the guidelines document, but it's already in my list of things to add and typos to fix as I eventually make an update.void_nothing wrote: ↑4 years agoThat is the official position. Cards should appear like they would in Gatherer. So placeholder tildes are not kosher and you'll get marked off for them.
I'd personally wait until after the judging deadline, as judgments aren't technically final until then. And as I've written in the guidelines, always remember to be polite and keep a civil tone, especially when you're talking about other people's submissions.Dragonlover wrote: ↑4 years agoAre we allowed to comment on other people designs once they've been judged?
I see nothing wrong with the "them" wording, it doesn't strike me as wrong, but it's just my intuition, I don't have any actual proof, and it's a question I've never asked myself in 14 years of playing Magic. Here too, the reason that void_nothing points out looks very plausible to me:Kypster wrote: ↑4 years agoI looked up this wording and found it on Davriel, Rogue Shadowmage Looking more carefully now, I see it's somewhat of an anomaly. Is there a reason that Davriel uses 'them' when most of the other cards use 'that player'?
void_nothing wrote: ↑4 years agoYup, "them" is there meaning "that player" because "that player" has already been said.
As for my judgments, I'm almost finished, but real life got in the way so I don't have them ready yet. I should totally be able to finish tomorrow before the deadline though.
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CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
MCC - Winner (9): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019, Jan Mar 2022, Apr 2023 || Host (30): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) Oct 2019, Jan Jun 2020 Apr Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2023, Mar 2024 || Judge (58): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), every month from Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) to Feb 2020, May Jun 2020, Mar Apr Sep Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar May Jun Sep Dec 2023, Jan Mar 2024
CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
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My judgments are complete. As always, they're final.
I did not judge mellifluoresce's card out of competition yet; I'll do so tomorrow but can't tonight due to exhaustion.
I did not judge mellifluoresce's card out of competition yet; I'll do so tomorrow but can't tonight due to exhaustion.
Psst, check the second page of Custom Card Contests & Games! Because of the daily contests, a lot of games fall down to there.
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No problem. I have Round 2 ready, I'm just waiting for her judgments to be in as well.void_nothing wrote: ↑4 years agoI did not judge mellifluoresce's card out of competition yet; I'll do so tomorrow but can't tonight due to exhaustion.
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CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
MCC - Winner (9): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019, Jan Mar 2022, Apr 2023 || Host (30): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) Oct 2019, Jan Jun 2020 Apr Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2023, Mar 2024 || Judge (58): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), every month from Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) to Feb 2020, May Jun 2020, Mar Apr Sep Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar May Jun Sep Dec 2023, Jan Mar 2024
CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
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Tradition!bravelion83 wrote: ↑4 years agoNo problem. I have Round 2 ready, I'm just waiting for her judgments to be in as well.void_nothing wrote: ↑4 years agoI did not judge mellifluoresce's card out of competition yet; I'll do so tomorrow but can't tonight due to exhaustion.
It wouldn't be an MCC if the judging was completed by the deadline. Don't misconstrue. This is an observation, not a complaint. Cthulhu knows I've missed deadlines for MCCs I was hosting or judging on more than one occasion.
EDIT: Another day passes as we wait. I'm starting to understand why the individual formerly known at MTGS as "MirrorEntity" changed their handle. Their lack of punctuality reflects poorly on them. They should be punished.
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So, we are currently 36 hours past the deadline. Should we consider going ahead and posting the next round, allowing all members of melliflouresce's bracket post cards until the judgments are done?
Or should one of us judges step up to judge her bracket? I can probably be available for that in about 12 or 18 hours.
(I'm just assuming she's been contacted already, if not, then that'd probably be the next step.)
Or should one of us judges step up to judge her bracket? I can probably be available for that in about 12 or 18 hours.
(I'm just assuming she's been contacted already, if not, then that'd probably be the next step.)
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Round 2 will be posted in a few hours anyway.
That's exactly what I'm gonna do. I've waited 24 hours, as per the guidelines, but now as you notice we're well past that. I just need the contest to move on now.Or should one of us judges step up to judge her bracket?
Thank you for the offer, but I want this to be over before 12 hours. I'm just going to do them myself right now and post Round 2 immediately afterwards. Unfortunately, it's not the first time that I find myself in a similar situation as host, and I've made speed runs before.I can probably be available for that in about 12 or 18 hours.
Of course. That's the first thing I did, two days ago by now. She told me she would have posted her judgment yesterday night. If you didn't see anything posted publicly, it was exactly because things were going on behind the scenes.I'm just assuming she's been contacted already,
EDIT: I'm done. See round thread. Round 2 will be up in a few minutes. is up now.
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CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
MCC - Winner (9): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019, Jan Mar 2022, Apr 2023 || Host (30): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) Oct 2019, Jan Jun 2020 Apr Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2023, Mar 2024 || Judge (58): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), every month from Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) to Feb 2020, May Jun 2020, Mar Apr Sep Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar May Jun Sep Dec 2023, Jan Mar 2024
CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
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Just wanted to make sure that a card that transforms into a vehicle satisfies the main challenge -- obviously pushing the envelope a bit, but it seemed like it met the challenge as worded since it is an artifact with the subtype vehicle, at least on one side (and also it's just a fun design!).
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Let's say it's a bend but acceptable. The Main Challenge just asks: "is this a card with the subtype Vehicle?", and I can't say that a DFC with a Vehicle on the back side doesn't have the subtype. It's definitely not what I was thinking about when writing the challenge, but it meets the letter of the law, so it's technically allowable. Be aware that I'm not guaranteeing your judge (whoever it will be) will give you 2/2 in Main Challenge, they might say "it's a bend" and make a little deduction there. What I am saying is just that a DFC card with a non-Vehicle on the front side and a Vehicle on the back side technically passes the Main Challenge and can't be DQ'ed for not meeting it. Hope this helps.slimytrout wrote: ↑4 years agoJust wanted to make sure that a card that transforms into a vehicle satisfies the main challenge -- obviously pushing the envelope a bit, but it seemed like it met the challenge as worded since it is an artifact with the subtype vehicle, at least on one side (and also it's just a fun design!).
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CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
MCC - Winner (9): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019, Jan Mar 2022, Apr 2023 || Host (30): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) Oct 2019, Jan Jun 2020 Apr Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2023, Mar 2024 || Judge (58): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), every month from Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) to Feb 2020, May Jun 2020, Mar Apr Sep Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar May Jun Sep Dec 2023, Jan Mar 2024
CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
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The whole point of asking for for clarification is to get an official stance and remove uncertainty for both judges and players, right? This would have been the moment to make everyone's life easier IMO.bravelion83 wrote: ↑4 years agoBe aware that I'm not guaranteeing your judge (whoever it will be) will give you 2/2 in Main Challenge, they might say "it's a bend" and make a little deduction there.
Maybe I'm wrong though. Food for thought anyway.
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Not a big deal (at least from my perspective) -- obviously I would have preferred a guaranteed 2/2, but I understand the desire not to take away autonomy from the judges. What I definitely wanted to do is make sure that I didn't get a full disqualification -- I'm willing to take a risk on losing a half point, but not on pulling a more, shall we say, exacting judge and getting immediately eliminated.
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And this is why I'm in no hurry to judge or host on Nexus anytime soon.
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I'm trying to walk a thin line here, and slimytrout has understood exactly what I meant. As host, I say without uncertainty that the card does meet the letter of the Main Challenge, so it can't be DQ'ed, and this is 100% certain for everybody, host, judges, and players. As the creator of the challenges, I honestly didn't think about the Vehicle being on the back of a DFC, and I had to take a decision on the fly. As one of the judges, I want to leave to myself and all the other judges (as I don't know yet who will end up judging that card, it might be me or any other judge) the autonomy to decide the scores on their own, without any imposition from me as host. It's not as easy as it might look from the outside.
If you want to know my thoughts about subjectivity in judging, you can find them in the guidelines document. In short, I ackowledge that it exists and that it's inevitable because we judges are just different people, each with their own thoughs, opinions, and priorities. I wish that the judgments could be perfectly objective, but we're just human. We're not machines. But despite this, we should strive to achieve the maximum objectivity possible. We can't achieve perfection, because perfection isn't human, but we can and should do the best we can. Ok, this wasn't short. I'm sorry.
If you want to know my thoughts about subjectivity in judging, you can find them in the guidelines document. In short, I ackowledge that it exists and that it's inevitable because we judges are just different people, each with their own thoughs, opinions, and priorities. I wish that the judgments could be perfectly objective, but we're just human. We're not machines. But despite this, we should strive to achieve the maximum objectivity possible. We can't achieve perfection, because perfection isn't human, but we can and should do the best we can. Ok, this wasn't short. I'm sorry.
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CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
MCC - Winner (9): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019, Jan Mar 2022, Apr 2023 || Host (30): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) Oct 2019, Jan Jun 2020 Apr Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2023, Mar 2024 || Judge (58): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), every month from Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) to Feb 2020, May Jun 2020, Mar Apr Sep Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar May Jun Sep Dec 2023, Jan Mar 2024
CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
Imagine I ask like this for each aspect of my card and the host responds "yeah, judges cannot reduce your points for that". Does that mean that I have guaranteed 25 points after that? I prefer to not live in a world like this, so bravelion's stance seems very reasonable for me.
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I see.
Any aspect that isn't about clarifying anything that is required would be soliciting outside help. It's also possible to just say "no comment" on issues that aren't related to a specific round requirement.Superbajt wrote: ↑4 years agoImagine I ask like this for each aspect of my card and the host responds "yeah, judges cannot reduce your points for that". Does that mean that I have guaranteed 25 points after that? I prefer to not live in a world like this, so bravelion's stance seems very reasonable for me.
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I think that there's no "right answer" here, and it's just going to be based on the host's preference. On the one hand, the rubric does ask "Does the card fit the intent of the challenge?" so on some level the host is uniquely qualified to answer that question in the affirmative. But in this case he declined to do so and therefore left it up to the judges, which, without getting too much into originalism and complicated legal theory, is also a perfectly valid choice. As I alluded to earlier, I think it would be unfair to not answer the question of disqualification (or, at the very least, it wouldn't really be to anyone's benefit), but I don't think that either guaranteeing or not guaranteeing full points on the main challenge is an obviously incorrect response.
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mellifluoresce hasn't logged in for four days or posted for six days. Unfortunately I think the correct course of action is to just count her out of judging for the month and divide up her bracket among the other judges. Otherwise, bravelion, it seems likely you'll be substitute judging another full bracket again.
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I hadn't noticed her absence, so thank you. It wouldn't actually be a problem to me to judge three more cards, but I agree with you that might be the best thing to do. So I'll do it right now. EDIT: done.void_nothing wrote: ↑4 years agomellifluoresce hasn't logged in for four days or posted for six days. Unfortunately I think the correct course of action is to just count her out of judging for the month and divide up her bracket among the other judges. Otherwise, bravelion, it seems likely you'll be substitute judging another full bracket again.
@mellifluoresce: please, if we're wrong and you're actually available for judging the rest of the month let me know asap. Thank you.
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MCC - Winner (9): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019, Jan Mar 2022, Apr 2023 || Host (30): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) Oct 2019, Jan Jun 2020 Apr Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2023, Mar 2024 || Judge (58): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), every month from Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) to Feb 2020, May Jun 2020, Mar Apr Sep Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar May Jun Sep Dec 2023, Jan Mar 2024
CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023
MCC - Winner (9): Oct 2014, Apr Nov 2017, Jan 2018, Apr Jun 2019, Jan Mar 2022, Apr 2023 || Host (30): Dec 2014, Apr Jul Aug Dec 2015, Mar Jul Aug Oct 2016, Feb Jul 2017, Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) Oct 2019, Jan Jun 2020 Apr Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2023, Mar 2024 || Judge (58): every month from Nov 2014 to Nov 2016 except Oct 2015, every month from Feb to Jul 2017 except Apr 2017, then Oct 2017, May Jun Nov 2018, Feb Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), every month from Aug 2019 (first on MTGN) to Feb 2020, May Jun 2020, Mar Apr Sep Oct 2021, Feb May Sep Dec 2022, Mar May Jun Sep Dec 2023, Jan Mar 2024
CCL - Winner (4): Jul 2016 (tied with Flatline), May 2017, Jul 2019 (last on MTGS), Jun 2021 (tied with slimytrout) || Host (5): Feb 2015, Mar Apr May Jun 2016
DCC - Winner (3): Mar 2015 (tied with Piar), Feb Apr 2022 || Host (12): May Oct 2015, Jan 2016, Jun Sep Dec 2021, Mar Jun Sep Dec 2022, Mar Jun 2023