The big difference between Modern and Pioneer/Standard is that those formats were lacking a sufficient quantity of two drops to create variety. In Modern we don't really have that limitation. I think that once Pioneer gets a sufficient quantity of two drops, such that every deck has options, then Smugglers Copter is suddenly a lot less egregious in that format. Remember, Pioneer has less cards now than Modern did when Modern started. It's even smaller than 8 year Extended. As such, the cards it can play that meet the power level the format demands are much more limited.gkourou wrote: ↑2 months agoJust want to step in here and say I am not too sure about it. What if Smuggler's Copter is just too good, just because the power level is low to the ground, while the card itself is very pushed and that it's colourless(it would be fine if it was not, probably)? I mean, in Standard it was banned, because answers to Smuggler's Copter were literally none.
In Pioneer, we do have Fatal Push, Abrade, Kolaghan's Command, Thoughtseize, Hero's Downfall, Murderous Rider, Settle The Wreckage, Wear//Tear and so many other cards to counter, bounce, etc. I think Pioneer, although it could use some more answers, it's fine at the front(we will see about Oko though).
The reason that Copter is fine in Modern, is not that Modern has more answers. I strongly think it's that Modern's power level is obnoxious. Why would Copter be strong in a format, where the goal of half of the decks is to:
Turn 3 Urza you, Turn 3 Karn you, Turn 3 Karn, TGC you, Turn 3 Titan you, Turn 3-4 DS with TBR you, T2-3 TKS you?
This is suffocating enough. There is no way a Copter copes with this. Modern's power level is so big, and it even needs more answers.
Pioneer is essentially a reset button. Modern has gone too far. There is no clear solution to solve it. Let people enjoy their T3/4 decks, and let the one who draws the more powerful opener win the game.
I'm almost 100% positive that if Copter cost 1U to cast instead of 2, it wouldn't need a ban.
Edit: One other thought on these recent bans. We've now seen both playable green cantrips banned in Pioneer with Oath of Nissa and Once Upon a Time being removed. I think that had green cantrips shown themselves to be at a level where Wizards would be comfortable with them in the format, they may have been willing to revisit Ponder/Preordain at some point, or maybe print new cards (Once Upon a Time being rather similar in power level to Ponder). I think that at this point though, we can pretty safely rule out Wizards being willing to revisit cantrips for a while, meaning those cards likely aren't coming off the Modern banlist.