I hope to add a lot more things to this thread, but for now I would just like to discuss the deck and hear your suggestions as to how to improve it
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Decklist
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Overall the deck has a rather low curve at 2,45 average cmc.
Since it's mostly a creature deck, this should help with drawing tons of cards with Tymna the Weaver who I really consider to be the main commander of the deck.
If you want to go a little bit more in depth, here's a short explanation of why I included all of the nonland cards:
Commanders
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Tymna the Weaver:
Tymna is the card advantage engine of the deck. The fact that she resides in the Command Zone allows us to really take advantage of our creatures and draw a couple of extra cards every turn. It's like having a Phyrexian Arena in the command zone, except it has lifelink and is really 2-3 Phyrexian Arenas.
Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa:
Sidar Kondo is mostly here to add green tot he deck. He really doesn't do much alone. I guess our hatebears get slightly more difficult to block, but that's not gonna win a game. However, one big advantage he provides is that he makes Tymna even better. Sometimes on a table with lots of creatures Tymna might struggle to draw us enough cards, because we can't attack without being blocked. Sidar Kondo lets our dorks and hatebears strike even those players who think themselves safe.
Tymna is the card advantage engine of the deck. The fact that she resides in the Command Zone allows us to really take advantage of our creatures and draw a couple of extra cards every turn. It's like having a Phyrexian Arena in the command zone, except it has lifelink and is really 2-3 Phyrexian Arenas.
Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa:
Sidar Kondo is mostly here to add green tot he deck. He really doesn't do much alone. I guess our hatebears get slightly more difficult to block, but that's not gonna win a game. However, one big advantage he provides is that he makes Tymna even better. Sometimes on a table with lots of creatures Tymna might struggle to draw us enough cards, because we can't attack without being blocked. Sidar Kondo lets our dorks and hatebears strike even those players who think themselves safe.
Hatebears & Stax
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Phyrexian Revoker:
A way to fight against activated abilities. This is most useful vs Commanders that provide an infinite mana outlet in the command zone, like Thrasios, Tasigur or Oona.
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben:
A great way to fight vs control decks and spellslinger strategies. Her tax effect is not nearly as damaging to us, as this deck is mostly creature based.
Containment Priest: (not currently maindeck)
Many people like to cheat big creatures into play in EDH. This card deals with these things effortlessly.
Ethersworn Canonist
Rule of Law effects were better in my meta than expected, so I brought this one in aswell.
Collector Ouphe:
A Null Rod on a stick. Perfect for artifact infested metas. Puts a full stop to Dramatic Scepeter shenanigans.
Scavenging Ooze:
An easy way to deal with graveyard decks. Every meta has some. The nice thing aboout Ooze is that it can come down early and use up extra mana to grow while hating on a very common strategy.
Gaddock Teeg:
One oft he games most infamous hatebears. He works wonders vs deckst that play too many high cmc spells. Mostly he's here to protect the board from being cleared while there are tons of valuable dorks and hatebears on it.
Grand Abolisher:
It's one oft he best was we available in Abzan to protect the combo this deck is trying to go for. It stops counterspells and will in general prove to be a big annoyance to deckst hat like to play at instant speed.
Aven Mindcensor:
One of EDH's best hatebears. He can be flashed in as a response to a tutor and hose it, which kinda makes this card similar to a counterspell. Overall it stops a lot of problematic cards and hoses multicolor strategies that rely heavily on fetching.
Eidolon of Rhetoric:
One ft he best hatebears to combat storm-like decks and spellslinger strategies in general. The body itself is also a pretty decent blocker. It stops things like Bolas's Citadel aswell, which is nice.
Hushwing Gryff: (not currently maindeck)
A very powerful Hatebear in certain scenarios. The deck does not play that many etb effects itself, so it's easy to break parity on this one.
Manglehorn: (not currently maindeck)
Another way to hate on artifacts. The fact that this comes with an added removal for artifacts is gravy on top. This card helps tremendously with slowing down fast artifact based combo decks.
Vivien, Champion of the Wilds: (not currently maindeck)
Not actually a hatebear, I know, I know. I put her in this category, because she makes the decks hatebears better. Playing at instant speed is pretty good, especially when what you're plying is answers. Ask any control player. Jokes aside, I'm not sure how well she will work out in the end, but I do like the idea and I want to try it.
Aura of Silence:
A very powerful stax piece, that wil shut down artifact strorm strategies and slow down most fast combo decks quite a bit.
Anafenza, the Foremost:
A second option to combat graveyard centric decks. If you're in a massively Protean Hulk infected meta, she would also make a solid commander for this kind of deck.
Linvala, Keeper of Silence:
One of the best hatebears ever imo. It shuts down many degenerate combos and synergies while providing a sizable body in the air. Like Phyrexian Revoker, stopping outlet commanders is a big part oft he reason why she's so good.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite:
Elesh Norn is one of those cards that can swing a game out of nowhere. She severely debuffs our opponents creatures and will shut down certain strategies completely. At the same time the smallish creatures that are in this deck are buffed to a size where closing out a game with only creature beats changes from unlikely to pretty easily doable.
A way to fight against activated abilities. This is most useful vs Commanders that provide an infinite mana outlet in the command zone, like Thrasios, Tasigur or Oona.
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben:
A great way to fight vs control decks and spellslinger strategies. Her tax effect is not nearly as damaging to us, as this deck is mostly creature based.
Containment Priest: (not currently maindeck)
Many people like to cheat big creatures into play in EDH. This card deals with these things effortlessly.
Ethersworn Canonist
Rule of Law effects were better in my meta than expected, so I brought this one in aswell.
Collector Ouphe:
A Null Rod on a stick. Perfect for artifact infested metas. Puts a full stop to Dramatic Scepeter shenanigans.
Scavenging Ooze:
An easy way to deal with graveyard decks. Every meta has some. The nice thing aboout Ooze is that it can come down early and use up extra mana to grow while hating on a very common strategy.
Gaddock Teeg:
One oft he games most infamous hatebears. He works wonders vs deckst that play too many high cmc spells. Mostly he's here to protect the board from being cleared while there are tons of valuable dorks and hatebears on it.
Grand Abolisher:
It's one oft he best was we available in Abzan to protect the combo this deck is trying to go for. It stops counterspells and will in general prove to be a big annoyance to deckst hat like to play at instant speed.
Aven Mindcensor:
One of EDH's best hatebears. He can be flashed in as a response to a tutor and hose it, which kinda makes this card similar to a counterspell. Overall it stops a lot of problematic cards and hoses multicolor strategies that rely heavily on fetching.
Eidolon of Rhetoric:
One ft he best hatebears to combat storm-like decks and spellslinger strategies in general. The body itself is also a pretty decent blocker. It stops things like Bolas's Citadel aswell, which is nice.
Hushwing Gryff: (not currently maindeck)
A very powerful Hatebear in certain scenarios. The deck does not play that many etb effects itself, so it's easy to break parity on this one.
Manglehorn: (not currently maindeck)
Another way to hate on artifacts. The fact that this comes with an added removal for artifacts is gravy on top. This card helps tremendously with slowing down fast artifact based combo decks.
Vivien, Champion of the Wilds: (not currently maindeck)
Not actually a hatebear, I know, I know. I put her in this category, because she makes the decks hatebears better. Playing at instant speed is pretty good, especially when what you're plying is answers. Ask any control player. Jokes aside, I'm not sure how well she will work out in the end, but I do like the idea and I want to try it.
Aura of Silence:
A very powerful stax piece, that wil shut down artifact strorm strategies and slow down most fast combo decks quite a bit.
Anafenza, the Foremost:
A second option to combat graveyard centric decks. If you're in a massively Protean Hulk infected meta, she would also make a solid commander for this kind of deck.
Linvala, Keeper of Silence:
One of the best hatebears ever imo. It shuts down many degenerate combos and synergies while providing a sizable body in the air. Like Phyrexian Revoker, stopping outlet commanders is a big part oft he reason why she's so good.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite:
Elesh Norn is one of those cards that can swing a game out of nowhere. She severely debuffs our opponents creatures and will shut down certain strategies completely. At the same time the smallish creatures that are in this deck are buffed to a size where closing out a game with only creature beats changes from unlikely to pretty easily doable.
Removal
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Swords to Plowshares:
Probably the single most efficient creature removal spell ever printed. A great include to protect what the deck is trying to do.
Abrupt Decay:
While it only hits certain cmcs, the low cost and the added uncounterability make it an invalueable tool in dealing with some oft he formats more powerful win conditions.
Assassin's Trophy:
This is likely the best rate we'll see in a good while for a removal spell this flexible. It can basically destroy anything problematic and is easy to keep open due to ist low cmc.
Anguished Unmaking:
Another very flexible answer. A higher cmc, but a lower downside than Assassin's Trophy.
Beast Within:
Another very flexible answer. It can hit lands just like Assassin's Trophy. Giving an opponent a 3/3 is a significant downside in a deck that wants to consistenly deal combat damage to as many opponents as possible, but with Sidar Kondo we can somewhat circumvent this.
Utter End: (not currently maindeck)
Another all-purpose removal spell. It exiles which is nice. I chose to run this over Generous Gift, because I genuinely think the 3/3 will cause problems from time to time. If I'm proven wrong in this by use of Beast Within over time, I might change those two up.
Toxic Deluge:
A mass removal spell, that can be used to prevent losses vs wide boardstates. The card is so good, that running it even in a creature deck like this seems correct to me.
Probably the single most efficient creature removal spell ever printed. A great include to protect what the deck is trying to do.
Abrupt Decay:
While it only hits certain cmcs, the low cost and the added uncounterability make it an invalueable tool in dealing with some oft he formats more powerful win conditions.
Assassin's Trophy:
This is likely the best rate we'll see in a good while for a removal spell this flexible. It can basically destroy anything problematic and is easy to keep open due to ist low cmc.
Anguished Unmaking:
Another very flexible answer. A higher cmc, but a lower downside than Assassin's Trophy.
Beast Within:
Another very flexible answer. It can hit lands just like Assassin's Trophy. Giving an opponent a 3/3 is a significant downside in a deck that wants to consistenly deal combat damage to as many opponents as possible, but with Sidar Kondo we can somewhat circumvent this.
Utter End: (not currently maindeck)
Another all-purpose removal spell. It exiles which is nice. I chose to run this over Generous Gift, because I genuinely think the 3/3 will cause problems from time to time. If I'm proven wrong in this by use of Beast Within over time, I might change those two up.
Toxic Deluge:
A mass removal spell, that can be used to prevent losses vs wide boardstates. The card is so good, that running it even in a creature deck like this seems correct to me.
Ramp
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Sol Ring:
The more affordable of the two big fast mana rocks. An obvious autoinclude.
Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves & Fyndhorn Elves:
Great classic mana dorks. They help to establish a board quickly and once they're no longer needed for ramping can draw cards with Tymnas effect.
Avacyn's Pilgrim:
Another mana dork, this one also helps with color fixing, which makes it a tiny bit better than the green ones. Later in the game it will also help to draw with Tymna.
Elves of Deep Shadow:
Another mana dork, this one also helps with color fixing, which makes it a tiny bit better than the green ones. Later in the game it will also help to draw with Tymna.
Birds of Paradise:
Arguably the best mana dork, as it taps for any color we need. It can also block a flying threat, which is always a nice bonus. Since it has no power it unfortunately loses a bit of synergy with Tymna.
Arbor Elf:
Getting a Forest into play shouldn't really be difficult for this deck. At taht point this dork can not only ramp but also fix, which makes it very desirable.
Deathrite Shaman:
This dork definitly has the most utility stapeled to it. It can simply do a ton of nice stuff. However it's mana dork ability is not exactly the most reliable, as it requires lands in the grave of a player.
Wild Growth:
Essentially another mana dork that's not weak to removal. It has it's downsides, but overall allows for swifter ramping.
Farseek:
An attempt to privide a little bit of extra ramp with great color fixing. I wanted to avoid 3 and 4 mana ramp, as those turns will likely be used to cast the commanders (definity Tymna at least, as she ist he decks engine).
Nature's Lore:
Much like Farseek another 2cmc ramp spell. It doesnt fix quite as well, but it can make the land enter untapped, which is a big upside.
Mirari's Wake: (not currently maindeck)
Not something to enable early game plays, but if I draw a ton of cards off of Tymna, a big mana boost in the lategame should help me make proper use of all those cards. I also like that it's the one mana doubler that actually does something the turn it comes down. +1/+1 might not be a huge deal, but this is a creature deck, beating face is at least our plan C.
The more affordable of the two big fast mana rocks. An obvious autoinclude.
Elvish Mystic, Llanowar Elves & Fyndhorn Elves:
Great classic mana dorks. They help to establish a board quickly and once they're no longer needed for ramping can draw cards with Tymnas effect.
Avacyn's Pilgrim:
Another mana dork, this one also helps with color fixing, which makes it a tiny bit better than the green ones. Later in the game it will also help to draw with Tymna.
Elves of Deep Shadow:
Another mana dork, this one also helps with color fixing, which makes it a tiny bit better than the green ones. Later in the game it will also help to draw with Tymna.
Birds of Paradise:
Arguably the best mana dork, as it taps for any color we need. It can also block a flying threat, which is always a nice bonus. Since it has no power it unfortunately loses a bit of synergy with Tymna.
Arbor Elf:
Getting a Forest into play shouldn't really be difficult for this deck. At taht point this dork can not only ramp but also fix, which makes it very desirable.
Deathrite Shaman:
This dork definitly has the most utility stapeled to it. It can simply do a ton of nice stuff. However it's mana dork ability is not exactly the most reliable, as it requires lands in the grave of a player.
Wild Growth:
Essentially another mana dork that's not weak to removal. It has it's downsides, but overall allows for swifter ramping.
Farseek:
An attempt to privide a little bit of extra ramp with great color fixing. I wanted to avoid 3 and 4 mana ramp, as those turns will likely be used to cast the commanders (definity Tymna at least, as she ist he decks engine).
Nature's Lore:
Much like Farseek another 2cmc ramp spell. It doesnt fix quite as well, but it can make the land enter untapped, which is a big upside.
Mirari's Wake: (not currently maindeck)
Not something to enable early game plays, but if I draw a ton of cards off of Tymna, a big mana boost in the lategame should help me make proper use of all those cards. I also like that it's the one mana doubler that actually does something the turn it comes down. +1/+1 might not be a huge deal, but this is a creature deck, beating face is at least our plan C.
Tutors & Card Selection
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Vampiric Tutor:
Auto-include tutor in black. It gets us whatever we need at any given point in the game.
Entomb:
The best way to get Razaketh/Protean Hulk into the graveyard. It could also be used to complete any oft he loops with a reanimation spell ready.
Demonic Tutor:
Auto-include tutor in black. It gets us whatever we need at any given point in the game. Tutoring to hand makes this superior to Vampirirc Tutor.
Diabolic Intent:
The deck plays enough creatures to justify running this card as another tutor.
Fauna Shaman:
A creature tutor on a creature. Exactly what this deck wants. Not only can this draw us cards with Tymna, but also convert hatebears that are not needed in any given matchup into those that are important.
Eladamri's Call:
Another tutor effect for creatures. Instant speed and tutoring to hand make this spell very good for a deck like this, where acess to s specific creature might mean the difference between winning and losing.
Finale of Devastation:
A way to put any creature we need onto the battlefield from the deck. In a pinch this can also serve as a „reanimation" spell, since it can get creatures from graveyards aswell. At X = 10 this can serve as another wincon, but that's not exactly a likely one.
Buried Alive:
A bigger, but more risky (grave-hate and higher cmc) version of Entomb.A solid way to assemble a loop.
Eldritch Evolution:
A way to transform any of our hatebears into a bigger one that might fit the given situation better. It's also a way to get out some of the decks bigger creatures quickly.
Birthing Pod:
It's a way to repeatedly change one hatebear to another. That's pretty useful, considering that you won't always draw the exact ones you need. It's also nice that it can turn Sidar Kondo into a part oft he Reveillark/Karmic Guide loop.
Final Parting:
A very interesting tutor for a Razakats deck. For just 5 mana you can dump Razaketh into the yard and tutor up a reanimation spell, Solid inclusion imo. Can also work with Elesh Norn, if a token deck is about to go out of control.
Auto-include tutor in black. It gets us whatever we need at any given point in the game.
Entomb:
The best way to get Razaketh/Protean Hulk into the graveyard. It could also be used to complete any oft he loops with a reanimation spell ready.
Demonic Tutor:
Auto-include tutor in black. It gets us whatever we need at any given point in the game. Tutoring to hand makes this superior to Vampirirc Tutor.
Diabolic Intent:
The deck plays enough creatures to justify running this card as another tutor.
Fauna Shaman:
A creature tutor on a creature. Exactly what this deck wants. Not only can this draw us cards with Tymna, but also convert hatebears that are not needed in any given matchup into those that are important.
Eladamri's Call:
Another tutor effect for creatures. Instant speed and tutoring to hand make this spell very good for a deck like this, where acess to s specific creature might mean the difference between winning and losing.
Finale of Devastation:
A way to put any creature we need onto the battlefield from the deck. In a pinch this can also serve as a „reanimation" spell, since it can get creatures from graveyards aswell. At X = 10 this can serve as another wincon, but that's not exactly a likely one.
Buried Alive:
A bigger, but more risky (grave-hate and higher cmc) version of Entomb.A solid way to assemble a loop.
Eldritch Evolution:
A way to transform any of our hatebears into a bigger one that might fit the given situation better. It's also a way to get out some of the decks bigger creatures quickly.
Birthing Pod:
It's a way to repeatedly change one hatebear to another. That's pretty useful, considering that you won't always draw the exact ones you need. It's also nice that it can turn Sidar Kondo into a part oft he Reveillark/Karmic Guide loop.
Final Parting:
A very interesting tutor for a Razakats deck. For just 5 mana you can dump Razaketh into the yard and tutor up a reanimation spell, Solid inclusion imo. Can also work with Elesh Norn, if a token deck is about to go out of control.
Combos & Wincons
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Hulk Piles:
Viscera Seer:
Primarily serves as a sac outlet for the decks loops. However it can also help the deck scry a bunch, wich can be helpful at times. It's the 2nd thing to get with Hulk after Karmic Guide for the standard pile.
Saffi Eriksdotter:
Saffi is nice to have in order to keep the important hatebears alive. However, she also enables another infinite loop with Karmic Guide. She's also part of the primary hulk pile for this deck.
Renegade Rallier:
Basically Karmic Guide 2.0. It's a bit more conditional, but the cheaper cmc makes up for that.
Academy Rector:
Enables some additional Hulk lines and fetches Pattern of Rebirth for suprise wins.
Pattern of Rebirth:
Can get us our big wincon creatures from the deck. It also enables swift transitions from Hulk lines to Raza lines if that's necesary.
Karmic Guide:
At it's worst, Kramic Guide is an okayish piece of ranimation, but in conjunction with Reveillark it allows the deck to assembe another infinite etb/death loop. It's also the first step to our Hulk pile together with a 1 mana sac outlet.
Protean Hulk:
Not much of a Hulk deck without the main attraction itself. This wins the game with its death trigger.
Razakats:
Razaketh, the Foulblooded:
One oft he most powerful reanimation targets in the entire game. Razaketh is one of the namesake parts of the Razakats combo, which is partially named after him. He enables powerful tutor chains, that can win the game very very easily.
Leonin Relic-Warder:
The other namesake part of the Razakats combo. Ultimately this doens't combo with Razaketh directly, but rather with Animate Dead and it's clones. This is an easy way to enable both an infinite etb/death loop and a way to tutor things up with Razaketh until you run out of life.
Animate Dead:
A classic reanimation spell. It's great to bring back big threats like Razaketh or Elesh Norn. The debuff in power rarely matters. In combination with Leonin Relic-Warden this can form an infinite etb/death loop.
Dance of the Dead:
A clone of Animate Dead with a few small differences. The creature returns with +1/+1 instead of -1/+0, enterst he battlefield tapped and doesn't untap unless we pay some mana. Since most of our reanimation targets have powerful effects and their big stats are mostly secondary, this downside doesn't come up much. Just like Animate Dead this enables an infinite loop with Leonin Relic-Warder.
Necromancy:
It reanimates things just like the previous two. However this time we don't have to deal with any debuffs. There's even an additional upside in that Necromancy can be cast like an instant. In that case the creature will only stick around for one turn, but sometimes that's good enough. Like the other two, it also goes infinite with Leonin Relic-Warder.
Life // Death:
Not only another way to reanimate our big reanimation targets (Death), but also a great option to reduce the body count needed to go off with Razaketh drastically (Life). If the first Razaketh tutor gets this card, you can from then on sacrifice the lands that were made 1/1s and can in theory go off with only one other creature in play.
Loop "Outlets":
Blood Artist :
Wins the game off of any infinite death loop.
Zulaport Cutthroat:
Wins the game off of infinite death loops on your side of the board.
Altar of Dementia:
Serves as a sac outlet. It also allows you to mill out the opponenets if you have a loop assembled.
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Eternal Witness:
A great recursion effect fort hings that aren't necesarily creatures. The fact that it's on a creature does not only help out Tymna, but also enable ist reanimation, which can help diversify what the reanimation suite can do.
Reanimate:
A great reanimation spell, that allows the deck to recur it's big creatures for a small cmc.
Carrion Feeder:
Primarily serves as another sac outlet. It growing is nice, but not often utilized.
It's just another sac outlet on a creature. Easily tutorable and able to protect itself.
Alright, with all that covered, I'd love to hear what you think about the deck!
Are there any ways you would change it? Anything I might have missed? Sweet interactions that I should include?
Thanks in advance for your answers, I look forward to reading all of them!
