Skullbriar, the Walking Grave - Voltron (Work in Progress)

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Skullbriar, the Walking Grave - Voltron


"The undead monstrosity known as Skullbriar was formed when a necromancer and an elementalist entered into a grim pact.
The mages wove their magics together in an overgrown cemetery, thinking it would bring them eternal life.
Instead it fused them together into Skullbriar, the relentless, restless elemental of death."



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Deck Overview

Introduction


It was the year 2011. For the first time in history, Wizard releases five preconstructed Commander decks, each containing cards and commanders destined to become format staples. And, in the midst of those very strong cards, there was a little golgari legend, specially created with the format in mind: it was innovative, interesting and potentially a lot of fun to play but, with the rules of the time, a single Unsummon would have annihilated his gameplan. So, I put it in my binder, and waited.


Thus came the year 2015. The Commander Rules Committee announced a major rules change: from now, if a Commander would be returned to its owner's library or hand, it can be moved to the Command Zone instead. That was a fundamental step forward, which made Skullbriar finally playable. But there was one last hurdle: there weren't enough cards and mechanics to effectively support the strategy. So, I put the card back into the binder, and waited again.


And finally the year 2020 came, and with it, Ikoria. A new mechanic was introduced in this expansion: the Keyword Counters. Now Skullbriar can finally receive valuable abilities as well as +1/+1 counters to take with him to the Command Zone. The time had come, the planets, aligned: Skullbriar finally emerged from the binder, more powerful than ever.




What can Skullbriar do?

Skullbriar is a little gem, the union of two enemy colors in a strategy that blends them together perfectly. The text of the card offers a perfect representation of the two different mana it is made of:

Restless
Relentless



A black Zombie, interacting with different areas beyond the battlefield. As is typical of black, his creatures are useful both alive and dead (or exiled, or in the command zone).




A green Elemental, which continues to accumulate counters on itself. As is typical of green, his creatures grow without ever stopping.



These features combined, with the addition of Haste, create a legendary creature capable of posing a constant threat on the battlefield.
We can compare it to the 80s horror movies' monsters: you can escape, you can hide, you can even manage, after immense tribulations, to kill him.

But he always comes back.

Why Play Skullbriar

Strengths
  • The deck starts at blazing speed, putting itself in an advantageous position while opponents are still playing ramp spells and mana rocks.
  • The game plan is extremely resilient: Skullbriar's ability to not lose counters, his low mana cost, and built-in Haste make it a frustrating effort for opponents to get rid of him for a single battle step.
  • Unlike almost all Golgari lists, this strategy is virtually immune to graveyard hate.
  • The cards from which it draws its strength (the ones that double the +1/+1 counters and the ones that put keyword counters), are still few, so the deck is destined to get stronger and stronger as more of them are printed.
  • The cards that could put this deck in trouble, like Aethersnap, see so little play that you will probably never encounter them.

Weaknesses
  • This is a deck with a low blocker count. Massive armies can put us in serious trouble if we can't manage them effectively.
  • The interactions in the deck are limited, so we will hardly be able to enter "control mode" against particularly interactive decks.

You might like Skullbriar if
  • You like playing a cheap commander with a unique line of play.
  • You like Voltron decks.
  • You like the idea of attacking early and never stop.
  • You like the idea of a Golgari deck without a graveyard-centric strategy.

You might dislike Skullbriar if
  • You don't like commander-centric decks.
  • You prefer control and combo to aggro strategy.
  • You can't live without a graveyard filled with value.
  • You think a deck must not contain so many tutors.


Deck Philosophy

This list of Skullbriar focuses on the speed and efficiency of his plays to put himself in a position of advantage from the beginning of the game from which it is almost impossible to oust. Efficiency and speed are given by the combination of the deck's low mana curve, the high impact of spells played in relation to the Commander, and Skullbriar's low mana value and Haste.

To be played to its full potential, this deck requires its player to focus on sequencing spells in the correct order, maximizing their effectiveness and focusing the deck's power spike early in the game.

The deck's power level, as always, isn't easy to quantify: it's a highly optimized and focused deck, but its core strategy - Voltron - isn't particularly oppressive in the format. If I were forced to assign it a number in a scale from 1 to 10 (where 9 and 10 are occupied by cEDH), I would place the deck between 7 and 8.
But in the end, it's all very relative.




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Current Decklist

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This is the list I'm playing tight now. The average mana value is different from that calculated by the tool below (2.29). Taking into account their use, I calculate the mana value of Noxious Revival as 0, Search for Tomorrow as 1, Bannerhide Krushok and Titanoth Rex as 2, and the resulting a.m.v. is 2.09.

Skullbriar, the Walking Grave - Voltron
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Cards by Function
The +1/+1 Counters
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The backbone of the strategy is to accumulate enough +1/+1 counters on Skullbriar to allow him to deal enough commander damage to each opponent. To do this, we have access to a selection of cards that directly add +1/+1 counters or enhance the commander's ability to place them on himself. Many of the cards in the following lists may also have this faculty, therefore listed below are those whose main purpose is to do that, as they are particularly efficient in doing so:

Protection
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These cards prevent the opponent from interacting effectively with the Commander, which is necessary both during the early stages of the game, when we try to accumulate as many keywords as possible on Skullbriar, and during the more advanced stages, to prevent the commander tax from becoming too burdensome:

  • Cavern of Souls - uncounterable commander. No other zombies or elemental in the list, so choose your favorite.
  • Tyrite Sanctum - slow and clunky, but one of the only two ways to make our Commander permanently indestructible.
  • Professor's Warning - cheap protection that convert itself in a +1/+1 counter when no longer needed.
  • Snakeskin Veil - cheap protection that with a +1/+1 counter as a cherry on the top.
  • Canopy Cover - Hexproof with great evasion.
  • Heroic Intervention
  • Imp's Mischief - incredibly versatile, can redirect single target removals, counter a counterspell and more, depending on the board/pile state, and only at the price of some life loss and two mana.
  • Oblivion's Hunger - replace itself, so it's never dead.
  • Guardian Augmenter - protection at instant speed and can block, The +2/+2 is just icing on the cake.
  • Daring Fiendbonder - the best and worst card in the deck (see the section The Fiendbonder Playability Paradox, in the Card Choice Discussion paragraph). Permanent Indestructible is our opponent's nightmare, especially in combination with Hexproof.
  • Slippery Bogbonder - the second best card in the deck. Permanent Hexproof is our opponent's nightmare, especially in combination with Indestructible.
Evasion
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A key part of our strategy is to have our commander connect every turn. To do this, we have a small selection of cards that make it difficult or impossible to block. There are few options as usually one in game will be enough to carry out the strategy, and our tutor package make it easier to access the one best suited to the situation:

  • Shizo, Death's Storehouse - fear proves effective in many more scenarios than you think. Also, the fact that it's on an untapped land and only costs two mana to activate makes this card a profit-only deal.
  • Zephyr Boots - a low cost great form of evasion with built in card selection.
  • Canopy Cover - the main function is protection, but basically gives Flying.
  • Key to the City - Skullbriar cannot be blocked, and the discard clause can be useful sometimes.
  • Titanoth Rex - instant speed, uncounterable, and permanent Trample that cantrip itself. Its only purpose in the deck is its cycling ability, we will never cast it as a creature.
  • Hornbash Mentor - permanent Trample that leaves a blocker, that can put +1/+1 counters on Skullbriar.
  • Filth - excellent form of evasion, especially in combination with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Control
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This section houses only a few, efficient cards. We rely on tutors to find the piece we need at the right time:

  • Ancient Animus - instant speed removal that grows Skullbriar, excellent.
  • Assassin's Trophy
  • Imp's Mischief - we can enter the counter war in Golgari colors.
  • Inscription of Abundance - two +1/+1 counter for two mana is an acceptable rate at instant speed, and if needed we can use it to remove a dangerous creature. Kicked, is a removal that grows our commander and heals us for a lot of hp.
  • Scavenging Ooze - one of the two graveyard hate pieces of the deck, this one has +1/+1 conters synergies and incidental lifegain at an efficient cost.
  • Beast Within
  • Ruinous Intrusion - this new iteration of Reclamation Sage trades a little blocker and one more mana in the cost for istant speed, exiling insted of destroying and growing our commander. An excellent deal.
  • Toxic Deluge - the only wrath in the deck, is cheap and can make Skullbriar the only one standing in the battlefield, ready to stomp one opponent to death.
Card Advantage
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They don't seem like many, but combined with the tutors, they guarantee a constant flow of cards in our hand:

Tutors
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Tutors are a fundamental part of this build. They serve as the glue for the strategy, which otherwise would not have the necessary elements to function efficiently:

Lifelink
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This deck does not play a lot of creatures, so, in crowded boards, we can't be able to properly defend our life points. Yes, some cards in the deck allow you to gain life, but only two of the them are capable to make Skullbriar a reliable source of life gain, keeping us alive during our race to victory:

Ramp
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Only one mana value or less ramp is necessary for this list to function properly. We need to save even the smallest bit of mana in order to cast multiple spells every turn cicle, to protect and boost Skullbriar:

Utility Lands
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On our manabase, we have a selection of lands with powerful effects, which we have access to at instant speed thanks to Crop Rotation:

Manabase
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Untapped duals, fetchlands and good, old basics are the backbone of this deck. We need the fastest possible start, and a tapped land turn one/two can make the difference between victory and defeat:





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Budget Considerations
Budget Replacements
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Playing this deck on a budget (no cards over 10$) is possible, but with the more expensive cards we lose many components of very important elements: To replace these missing pieces, we will put: The latest replacements: The list is slightly slower and less efficient, but still fast and solid enough to take down its opponents.
Now the updated budget list:
Budget List
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Budget Skullbriar, the Walking Grave - Voltron
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Deck Strategy
Introduction

This is a Voltron deck, in its purest form.

Its line of play is very reminiscent of the Bogles deck, renowned in both Modern and Pauper: we play a single threat, we make it huge and non-interactive, and we unleash it on our enemies.
But this deck, unlike the 1vs1 ones, is not based on Auras, but on counters, thanks to Skullbriar, the Walking Grave's unique ability to keep counters on itself even if it leaves the battlefield.

We are therefore an aggressive deck, with a proactive and well-tested plan. We will attack with our commander whenever possible, but while in a 1vs1 game this would be normal routine, in multiplayer there is a social and psychological component, which we must always keep in mind, to avoid becoming the archenemy. So:
Who should I attack?
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In a game of EDH, the perception our opponents have of us is just as important as the threat we actually pose.
Many players solve this by using gimmicks that reduce the perception of the danger they represent, and one of them is to randomly choose the player to target with their attacks. While it's generally a great method, it's a bad idea in this deck.
Our commander is constantly growing, and it only takes 21 damage to take a player out of the game. Therefore, it only takes a few unfortunate dice rolls to get killed, so what our opponents will think will be: "I have to remove that threat immediately, because I don't want to take the risk of losing."
So, what's the solution?
In this deck, to balance the level of threat we place against all opponents, we always choose to attack the player with the least commander damage.
We look less dangerous if our opponent knows he doesn't have to expect an attack next turn (or knows he does), and we can also openly state this line of play to make sure it's understood. Of course, we can change this line of play if the boardstate requires it, but it is still the best approach to this type of strategy. In addition, it has a positive effect on the timing of the game, as it allows us to reach a situation where we can eliminate our opponents one after the other, instead of focusing only on one, eliminating they, excluding they from the game for who knows how long, and then passing to the next.
Starting Hands and Mulligans

This is a deck that aims to play fast, and the opening hand is the starting point for that. In it we look for these things:
  • At least two lands that can give us the combination of B and G (so we can be sure we can play Skullbriar on the second turn). A third source of mana is a welcome but unnecessary addition, and a ramp spell is better than a land.
  • At least one low-cost card advantage spell or tutor.
A hand with these characteristics is already an excellent starting hand, even without considering the rest of the cards.

Situations where we should strongly consider a mulligan instead:
Early Game Strategy

Early game is a particularly crucial phase for this deck. For this reason, I prefer to divide it into two further phases: Early-Early Game and Late-Early Game.

Early-Early Game (EEG): it consists of first and second turn, and the choices at this stage are pretty much the same in every game:
  • Turn One: land, one mana ramp or other one mana utility, or land, pass;
  • Turn Two: play Skullbriar or, if ramped in turn one, play Skullbriar, than play one mana spell (like tutors, card draw, other ramp) or hold mana for interaction.
Late-Early Game (LEG): it consists of third and fourth turn, and the choices at this stage are much more varied (depending on how much we managed to ramp in EEG, the hand we kept and the cards drawn) but our priorities have a very specific hierarchy:
  • Protection: our top priority, and in the ideal game, we spend the LEG playing Daring Fiendbonder and Slippery Bogbonder, turning our commander into an unsolvable threat, but other cards can fill the role temporarily (like Guardian Augmenter);
  • Tutoring and Card Draw: if we cannot spend the LEG playing our protections, we must use this phase to find them, giving top priority to tutors and playing only after or in the absence of these our card draw spells. In the exceptional case in which the commander is already fully protected at this stage, our tutors will be used to fill in the other holes in the strategy. The priority depends on the state of the board, but in general you can follow the order of the rest of this list, starting with the card advantage and following;
  • Evasion: in the Early Game, being able to hit one player with the commander shouldn't be a problem, as it is very unlikely that all the other players have blockers, but in the following turns it will be almost a certainty. Therefore, making Skullbriar difficult or impossible to block must become one of our top three priorities in the LEG.
  • Counters: our main goal, as well as our win condition, is to make a gargantuan Skullbriar, so we must help him. Here too there is a strict hierarchy: we want to play the cards that gradually add counters first (Forced Adaptation, Predatory Hunger, Winding Constrictor, etc.), then the cards that add a fair amount of counters in one hit (Hunger of the Howlpack, Bannerhide Krushok, Increasing Savagery, etc.), and finally the cards that double the counters (Solidarity of Heroes, Visions of Dominance, Hydra's Growth, etc.). This sequencing ensures that we get the maximum amount of counters from our cards.
  • Control: it is very difficult for this to happen at this stage of the game, but some opponents could put something on the battlefield that interferes with our game plan. In this case, thanks to a small but varied selection of removals, we can remove the obstacle and continue on our way.
  • Lifelink: in this deck, the blockers are few and the life-draining spells are many, so recovering some life points will sometimes be necessary to allow us to get to victory alive. So, if all the other goals on this list have been completed, or if none of them can be achieved, or if the boardstate requires it, we can proceed to give our commander lifelink.
At this point, the hard work done in the Early-Game should have allowed us to get a well-protected or at least partially protected commander, with at least 3 +1/+1 counters on it (having played it in the second turn and having attacked at each combat phase), perhaps with some form of evasion.

Now we can finally proceed to the Mid-Game.

Mid-Game Strategy

Welcome to turn 5-8 of the game.

In the previous 4 turns, we have laid the foundations of our game plan. At this stage, we're going to develop that plan, and it's a really simple one: have your commander punch your opponents in the face until you are the only one standing.

To do this, Skullbriar has to get very big, and even though he already has the ability to grow, he still needs a little push. For this purpose, the deck has a rich selection of spells capable of putting +1/+1 counters on it, in 3 different ways:
There are also a number of cards whose main function is different, like Ancient Animus, a removal, or Snakeskin Veil, a protection card, but incidentally put +1/+1 counters. Their timing of play should be related to their main function: don't wait to remove a threat just because you have to play your Branching Evolution first!

Of course, as we continue our game plan, we can rest assured that our opponents will do the same. So, in addition to making our commander big, we also try to fill any gaps in our strategy (for example, looking for forms of protection or evasion in case we were not able to do it in the Early Game), and to resolve adverse boardstates (like wiping the out-of-control token player, removing a key piece from the combo player, or emptying the reanimator player's graveyard).
Additionally, opponents may actively try to obstruct our game plan, for example by preventing us from playing our protections, or trying to kill Skullbriar by bypassing them. Well, in that case, let's just play Skullbriar again. The fun part of this commander is just this: even if you somehow manage to remove him, he will come back as dangerous as before.

Try again, b***h.

Late Game

By the ninth round, we may already have reached 21 commander damage with all three of our opponents. Well done! Now shuffle the deck and start over!

Otherwise, the situation at this point should be more or less this: we have a gigantic and unmanageable commander, the opponents all one shot from defeat or maybe someone already out.
Our hand should be pretty full, and maybe our life points too. In this case we should be within a few turns of winning.

What if this is not the case? Our opponents could suddenly overwhelm us with a flood of creatures, or drain us to death, or mill us, or close the game with an unexpected combo. Well, welcome to multiplayer Magic, where in every game we have a 75% chance of losing! The important thing is that we played as best as we could, and that we and the opponents had fun!

So, again: Well done! Now shuffle the deck and start over!





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Card Choice Discussion
The Fiendbonder Playability Paradox
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Daring Fiendbonder is a great card. Almost the only way to make Skullbriar permanently indestructible, he reaches his full potential... by not playing it.

Because it is also a terrible card: having it in the starting hand is a valid reason to consider a mulligan, during the game is a bad draw.

Playing it fairly is clunky: has Haste and must attack each turn if able, so we can't keep it as a blocker to bin it without sac outlets (except for a turn cycle), and the opponents can just take 5 instead of giving us the grace to kill him for us or, worst case scenario, they can exile it.

And beyond all these tribulations, it costs to play it and pay for its activation.

To avoid this madness, in addition to playing some accidental discard outlets, five "alternative fiendbonders" appear in the list, each one being better than the original. In addition to bypassing the problem of effectively reaching the graveyard, each of them has bonuses that make it more interesting than the original card:

Entomb - cost Fiendbonder. Makes possible enabling turn 3 indestructibility.




Unmarked Grave - cost Fiendbonder. Makes possible enabling turn 3/4 indestructibility.




Buried Alive - cost Fiendbonder. It enables turn 4/5 Indestructibility, evasion, and a +1/+1 counter in a single shot.




Jarad's Orders - cost Fiendbonder. Same mana value, but the additional translates in including an Eladamri's Call.




Final Parting - cost Fiendbonder. One more mana, but the additional translates in including a Demonic Tutor|UMA.

Notable Inclusions
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  • Noxious Revival: fixing the next draw for free is great, but this card also has the ability to interrupt your opponent's play, for example by placing on top of the library a card targeted by one of his reanimation or recycling spells. Interestingly, it's also the only way in the deck to save Skullbriar if -1/-1 counters are placed on it.
  • Unspeakable Symbol: 3 hp seems like a lot, but the versatility of being able to activate it at instant speed and as many times as we want makes up for it, especially if there are some friends on the battlefield.
Notable Exclusions
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  • Corpsejack Menace, Forgotten Ancient: they are slightly too expensive and fragile for this list, which aims to be as fast and efficient as possible, but they may come back in the future, because they are still great cards.
  • Kalonian Hydra: very strong, but slow. We have to wait one full turn cycle before the doubling effect, and we can't afford it.
  • Blood Curdle, Call of the Death-Dweller, Void Beckoner: menace is not a great evasion ability, especially in EDH, and deathtouch, in a deck with only one massive attacker, is not very relevant, but even so I would have considered Void Beckoner if the cycling cost were one mana cheaper, like his trampling rival.
  • Rancor: Hornbash Mentor and Titanoth Rex are simply better with Skullbriar, and two cards that grant Trample are enough.
  • Primeval Bounty: great on slower decks, trying accumulate advantage in the late game, but on this list it's just too slow.
  • Sol Ring: colorless mana acceleration, but we are hungry for colored mana.
  • The Ozolith: auto include in lists with a lot of creatures with +1/+1 counters' synergies, proliferate, etc, where The Ozolith would transfer their counters to Skullbriar before attack. In this particular list, however, we have no other creatures with counters and counters' synergies, and we try to protect Skullbriar so that he dies as less often as possible, thereby making the trigger on death of The Ozolith useless. I therefore decided to exclude it as superfluous to the completion of the strategy of this deck.
  • Ring of Kalonia, Ring of Xathrid: replaced with cards more efficient at producing +1/+1 counters and with better/cheaper abilities.
  • Command Beacon - In a so commander-dependant deck this is generally a staple, so, why not here? Sadly it says "into your hand", and that's a nonbo with Skullbriar.
  • Forge of Heroes, Guildmages' Forum, Karn's Bastion, Llanowar Reborn, Mosswort Bridge, Opal Palace, Oran-Rief, the Vastwood, Rogue's Passage: a long list of utility lands. They are fine, but the early game is super important in this deck, so no tapped lands, no mana-neutral lands, no colorless, and no overcosted abilities.




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Credit & Thanks

I would like to thank TheGildedGoose and pokken, for the first suggestions and appreciation in the creation of this page, and darrenhabib and snowfox54119, for having drawn without any shame from the layout of their splendid Primers.





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Post by TheGildedGoose » 3 years ago

I fooled around with Skullbriar, the Walking Grave after Ikoria came out, like a lot of people. Here's my old list if you didn't already search it out on the forum. There are several changes I would make in retrospect, but the core of it is solid, I think.

1) The Ozolith. It doesn't take counters from Skully, it effectively copies them. It's pretty good.

2) I'm not a fan of dorks in general in less competitive metas, and less so here. They don't ramp you into strong 3cmc turn 2 plays since Skully is coming down then to start swinging and accruing counters, so their low cost to ramp ratio is wasted. Furthermore, they of course die to wipes which are already a threat to Voltron decks.

3) I can see Entomb for Brawn/Filth and Daring Fiendbonder but I think Jarad's Orders and Final Parting are a little too slow to enable them. Yeah, you get to grab another relevant spell while binning evasion or indestructibility but at 4 and 5 mana they're clunky.

4) More reanimation to get around commander tax is probably a good idea, from Unearth to Phyrexian Reclamation to Vigor Mortis. There's also Reanimate, Call of the Death-Dweller, and good ol' Animate Dead ]. Getting taxed out of your win condition is real feel bad so getting around it is a good plan.

5) I didn't like Increasing Savagery and I don't think I like the other expensive +1/+1 counter adders like Soul's Might or Biogenic Upgrade. It makes Skullbriar real big, sure, but they're really expensive and don't help you push damage through which was my biggest problem. There is a lot of fun to be had in growing Skully to outrageous proportions but it's a little winmore.

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Post by Darkaxel1990 » 2 years ago

Hi, forgive me for the late reply. The deck is still a work in progress, and I try to finish writing this page as soon as possible, but in the meantime, I'd like to try to answer your questions:

1) I don't like The Ozolith. I think it would be an auto include in lists with a lot of creatures with +1/+1 counters synergies, proliferate, etc, where The Ozolith would transfer their counters to Skullbriar entering the battlefield. In this particular list, however, I try to protect Skullbriar so that he dies as less often as possible, thereby making the trigger on death of The Ozolith useless. I therefore decided to exclude it as superfluous to the completion of the strategy of this deck.

2) You are right, outside of competitive environments this type of ramp is suboptimal. Unfortunately, however, this list aims to be very quick and to play multiple spells at turn from the very first turns. So the usual ramp spells (2, 3 mana) don't fit in well with the pace of the game. The first turn, on the other hand, is an empty turn, and I decided to optimize my game by concentrating my ramp here. This way, while on the second turn I will always play Skullbriar (with 1 mana open for one mana interactions), on the third turn I will already have 4 mana available.

3) I know, at first glance they look clunky, but I think this: Daring Fiendbonder costs 4 mana, can't block, so it's hard to send to the graveyard, and once there you still have to pay 2 mana to make Skullbriar indestructible (for a total of 6 mana ). Jarad's Orders and Final Parting, on the other hand, cost 4 and 5 mana (like or nearly as Daring Fiendbonder), but they put it directly in the graveyard, thus costing the same total mana or 1 more, but in the meantime tutoring a card in your hand. As I see them, they are two better copies of Daring Fiendbonder.

4) I had thought about putting in a reanimation package too, but I realized that my strategy can only work if Skullbriar can successfully attack every turn. If they destroy him once he's declared attacking, I lost that turn. But if I make it untargettable or indestructible, I get around the problem.

5)You are definitely right. In fact, in the list that I will update I have removed two of the three to make room for cheaper spells.

I hope I have answered your questions in a relevant and above all clear way. Unfortunately I am not a native English speaker, so I apologize in advance for any inaccuracy or lack of clarity.
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Post by pokken » 2 years ago

This looks real good. You might find some really good tech in my old Skullb enchantress deck. Specifically I think you're missing Rancor which is just absurdly good with skullb.

Primeval Bounty was also always insanely good.

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Post by Darkaxel1990 » 2 years ago

Hi, sorry for the late reply and thanks for the suggestions! Yours is definitely a unique approach to this commander, I've never seen him built like this.
As for the cards you suggest, they are really good, but unfortunately, because of the way I structured my deck, they don't find room inside it. Specifically, Rancor's greatest merit is his persistence, but with Skullbriar, that persistence is outclassed by keyword counters, and since I don't have enchantment synergies, I preferred Titanoth Rex and Hornbash Mentor to give Trample to my Commander.
Primeval Bounty, on the other hand, is really strong, but its mana cost is really high and do nothing as it enters, and in this list I try to be as explosive as possible.
Thanks again for the tips, I hope you want to check out the updated list, there have been big changes since last time!

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Post by TheGildedGoose » 2 years ago

I like how the deck is progressing. Someone commented on an old Skullbriar post I had made elsewhere and it renewed my interest in the deck, so here I am. I still think a reanimation backup plan is advisable, as Skully getting removed is inevitable. You can always recast him, but 4mv and up starts to become cost prohibitive, so running reanimators from 1-3mv makes it more palatable. You're still relatively unhindered by graveyard hate, since you just put Skully back in the CZ, where he would've ended up anyway. I think it's a mistake to ignore this deckbuilding avenue. I totally agree with the idea that protecting Skully is better than reanimating him, but I think there's enough room in the deck for both.

No Lotus Petal or Chrome Mox for a t1 Skullbriar? I've found them to be very good despite the card disadvantage. Sac outlet lands like High Market and Phyrexian Tower are okay uses of limited colorless mana producing lands to prevent theft effects from ruining your day. You can't always Crop Rotation into Homeward Path, so it's nice to have low opportunity cost back ups. I do think I agree with you on the +1/+1 counter lands that produce colorless mana being bad, though. The deck is particularly colored mana hungry in the early game so I think it's wiser to use those slots on higher impact plays. That said, this deck absolutely needs to find room for Strip Mine. You don't automatically lose to Maze of Ith effects or Glacial Chasm but being able to Crop Rotation into Strip Mine to solve those problems is very strong.

I haven't updated my old thread yet but here's my current WIP decklist:



The Ground Walks, With Time in a Box
Approximate Total Cost:

I think 34 lands is probably right for the list with the two MDFCs and the one flip land, but I'm at 35 right now. I'd probably cut a Forest for something, but I still need to get more reps in with the deck before I can determine what ratios I need to fix.

I'd be interested in what you think!

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Post by FoxHybrid » 2 years ago

Have you considered playing Feast on the Fallen? I think it's probably a very efficient card for this type of deck. For 3 mana you get a bonus +1/+1 counter for each time you hit an opponent and that's not even counting any extras you may get from your opponents. I would be interested to hear your opinions on this card as I'm putting together a slightly less tuned version of Skullbriar for my playgroup and it was mainly inspired by your deck lists.

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Post by Darkaxel1990 » 2 years ago

Hi TheGildedGoose, thanks for your advice. I agree, sometimes a reanimation spell can come in handy, but (from my point of view) to make them functional, either the deck has to be built around those (speaking of which, I'm working on a Kathril, Aspect Warper reanimator deck with Skullbriar as secret commander, and I expect it to be fun), or they don't have to be there. The situation that worries me most is this: Skullbriar dies, and goes to the graveyard, I cast Reanimate, get countered. Game over, because I only have 3 or 4 more of those spells in my deck, and before I can draw them, Skullbriar is stuck in the graveyard. I know it's not a common scenario, but it's likely enough for me to want to avoid it.
With the underlying problem being the commander's mana cost increase, I'm looking for alternative ways to get around this without reanimation, for example by including more low-cost ramp (such as One with Nature or the new Kodama of the West Tree).

As for quick mana artifacts, I agree, Skullbriar on the first turn is a scary start, in fact I have a few on my shopping list. And I also agree on the manabase issue, I had already considered some of the changes you recommend and I'm trying to balance the lands that produce colorless mana with those that produce colored mana as efficiently as possible while maintaining the most utility as possible.

Hi FoxHybrid, it's a good card, it was on my list when it wasn't optimized yet. Although a little slow, it does its duty, especially in a meta with an aggressive manabase (fetch and shock), but I excluded it from the list because at three mana there are much more efficient and immediate spells (see for example Unspeakable Symbol).

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