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Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:56 am
by 3drinks
tstorm823 wrote:
4 years ago
Blade of Selves it is.
That's an awful funny way of spelling Umezawa's Jitte...

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:00 pm
by tstorm823
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
That's an awful funny way of spelling Umezawa's Jitte...
You can get Jitte with the second one. You're clearly not greedy enough.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:17 am
by Henlock
I haven't got a copy but I tjink I should. very cute and a potentially reusable tutor is something to keep an eye on. Love the idea of blade of Selves on it!

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:54 am
by rujasu
Relic Seeker seems bad and unexciting. I guess if you play it early, you can attack someone with no board and get your equipment, but if you draw it when everyone has a board, you have a Grizzly Bears. Maybe someone can get value out of it, but I'm not interested in being that someone.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:31 am
by 3drinks
Sunday July 14th, 2019; Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

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Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:46 am
by 3drinks
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Sunday July 14th, 2019; Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

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I remember fondly playing this commander in the pre Kaalia years. A little mana heavy now, and doesn't circumvent commander tax like Tymaret, the Murder King, but she's still quite the engine I think. Oh, the countless games I had with this. Such fun.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:14 am
by tstorm823
Those original Ravnica champs are all fair ways to use Painters Servant.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:01 pm
by 3drinks
Are they, [mention]tstorm823[/mention]? Becayse I see here, I'd lose half of Miss Lyz' functionality under a servant.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:00 pm
by ilovesaprolings
tstorm823 wrote:
4 years ago
Those original Ravnica champs are all fair ways to use Painters Servant.
Not very fair with original Teysa, however

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:46 pm
by tstorm823
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Are they, @tstorm823? Becayse I see here, I'd lose half of Miss Lyz' functionality
Nah, painters servant makes them a color in addition to their colors, so you can make all your mono red creatures red/black and just draw more cards.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:30 pm
by 3drinks
tstorm823 wrote:
4 years ago
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Are they, @tstorm823? Becayse I see here, I'd lose half of Miss Lyz' functionality
Nah, painters servant makes them a color in addition to their colors, so you can make all your mono red creatures red/black and just draw more cards.
Oh. Whoa I see that now. I thought it was overwriting it, a la Celestial Dawn. Good to know.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:43 pm
by Cyberium
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Sunday July 14th, 2019; Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

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One of those cards that'd benefit from Servant's unban.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Lyzolda, the Blood Witch

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:36 pm
by 3drinks
Monday, July 15th, 2019; Harsh Justice

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Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:50 pm
by Hermes_
I keep wanting this...but i keep finding it not in stock when i have the money.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:12 pm
by 3drinks
Hermes_ wrote:
4 years ago
I keep wanting this...but i keep finding it not in stock when i have the money.
I find it's just typically weaker than Archfiend of Despair, an open Boros Reckoner/Stuffy Doll, and significantly weaker than a Sower of Discord, in most cases. Although it is Sunforgerable, if that were a relevant metric.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:21 pm
by Hermes_
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Hermes_ wrote:
4 years ago
I keep wanting this...but i keep finding it not in stock when i have the money.
I find it's just typically weaker than Archfiend of Despair, an open Boros Reckoner/Stuffy Doll, and significantly weaker than a Sower of Discord, in most cases. Although it is Sunforgerable, if that were a relevant metric.
we have some token decks in our group,so this would be along the lines of I'm taking you with me.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:58 pm
by hyalopterouslemur
I like this card, I do. It has the advantage of surprise! and can be Sunforged. It's not going to win you the game, but it is a good rattlesnake.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:37 pm
by void_nothing
This is fun! It can be Sunforged, yes, and also pretty readily copied if you do want to win the game that way.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:44 pm
by SocorroTortoise
On board rattlesnakes typically work better than instant rattlesnakes in my experience. The exception to this would be if you've played with a group long enough that they'll respect you having 2w up in the combat phase.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:10 pm
by Cyberium
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Monday, July 15th, 2019; Harsh Justice

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How does this interact with lethal combat damage? Does the spell do damage after you die?

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:18 pm
by 3drinks
Cyberium wrote:
4 years ago
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Monday, July 15th, 2019; Harsh Justice

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How does this interact with lethal combat damage? Does the spell do damage after you die?
By my interpretation, it sets up a trigger based on a specified condition [damage dealt]. The creature deals damage which thus causes damage to be dealt to it's controller. This condition reads as a modification to how it deals damage.

Hmmm. No, upon my own further inspection, this reads like Flesh Reaver.

"This turn, whenever an attacking creature deals combat damage to you, it deals that much damage to its controller."

"Whenever Flesh Reaver deals damage to a creature or opponent, Flesh Reaver deals that much damage to you."

There's your key word. "Whenever" specifies it's a triggered ability. (Fleshreaver's ability always hits the stack, which is why you will kill people with your two drop 4/4 before it can kill you).

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:29 pm
by Hawk
Interesting - a much more narrow but slightly cheaper Comeuppance-style effect. Generally, Comeuppance, Selfless Squire, Deflecting Palm, and Reverse Damage are better because they negate the incoming damage whereas with this you have to actually live the attack for it to be super relevant. And there's no cheating it; the wording means that if you Dawn Charm or Gideon's Sacrifice to dodge the damage you don't deal anything.

At the same time, those effects aren't actually capable of killing someone with their own damage - so if you have sufficient life or are in a knock-down drag-out racing brawl, this is a potent enough way to just kill some folks. Ultimately even though errata has made it Sunforger-able it'd be a low-tier choice for the average Aikkido deck.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:39 pm
by Henlock
This looks interesting. [card]Mirror strike[/mana] has won me many games, but you having to actually take tbe damage limits it quite a lot. Looks like somehing worth trying, even when it looks more likely to draw the game.

Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Harsh Justice

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:21 pm
by 3drinks
Tuesday, July 16th, 2019; Nightscape Familiar

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Re: [mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Relic Seeker

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:02 pm
by Sinis
3drinks wrote:
4 years ago
Tuesday, July 16th, 2019; Nightscape Familiar
I really like this chap; I'm not sure it would be playable bordering green, but Grixis needs all the rampy help it can get. It also can chump and regenerate, which is not insignificant.