[mtgnexus] Random Card of the Day - Samwise the Stouthearted
Community Rules
‖ Commander Rules
-
Guardman A Dog's Dream of Man
- Posts: 1725
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: In a Turn-Based World
It's an effect I really like and would like to see more of, in different cards, and to a lesser extent, in different colors. Especially with so many ways to cheat creatures onto the battlefield nowadays. I will also point out that it hits tokens as well, unlike Containment Priest, which is a neat twist. A criminally underplayed card in my opinion.
I would definitely like it if they hit critical mass for this effect. It's a fun hatebear effect.
I'm seeing a lot more cheat into play stuff lately so that has me thinking on this as well
I'm seeing a lot more cheat into play stuff lately so that has me thinking on this as well
- ironic gesture
- Posts: 58
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: Unlisted
This card isn't amazing against sneak attack as sneak is a may ability. If they play this in response you simply don't put anything into play and you either wait a turn or respond by activating sneak again (manas permitting).3drinks wrote: ↑2 years agoMonday, November 29th, 2021; Hallowed Moonlight
As a Sneak Attack|usg player, this scares me. It's not on the board, you've no idea if they have it…
- BeneTleilax
- Posts: 1330
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
I don't really like running niche answers in this format that don't synergize with your deck. At best, this prevents a specific type of deck from winning the game, but leaves you otherwise where you were. Even stuff like Containment Priest is a creature, giving it some level of baseline synergy with most Wx decks. It's too niche to reliably save you from losing. at the same time, it doesn't really do anything to help you win. At least Fogs tend to leave the would-be winner with a tapped-out board you or others can rush through to take them out.
If you don't want people mass-reanimating to build overwhelming board presence/synergies, you're in the color of wraths. If you don't want people cheating a bunch of guys out with haste, propaganda effects will serve you better. I guess if you're in some Xw spellslinger that could make use of it being a cheapish cantrip, I could see it,
If you don't want people mass-reanimating to build overwhelming board presence/synergies, you're in the color of wraths. If you don't want people cheating a bunch of guys out with haste, propaganda effects will serve you better. I guess if you're in some Xw spellslinger that could make use of it being a cheapish cantrip, I could see it,
yeah, I think sneak attack's ability to just react by doing it again is pretty much a crushing blowout. That card is really good.
Containment priest's ability to turn flexible blinks into a machine gun is also very fun, that doesn't really work super well with this because you can only do it for a turn.BeneTleilax wrote: ↑2 years agoEven stuff like Containment Priest is a creature, giving it some level of baseline synergy with most Wx decks. It's too niche to reliably save you from losing. at the same time, it doesn't really do anything to help you win. At least Fogs tend to leave the would-be winner with a tapped-out board you or others can rush through to take them out.
-
ISBPathfinder Bebopin
- Posts: 2154
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: SD, USA
The fact that it cantrips is a big deal making it reasonable even when you don't need the effect. I really like it when you know your meta and you know the tricks of the meta. Its very good against mass reanimation, tokens, and tutor to play effects.
Its hard in that its responsive and can feel somewhat narrow in use. I still like the effect quite a bit though and run it in some of my white decks.
Its hard in that its responsive and can feel somewhat narrow in use. I still like the effect quite a bit though and run it in some of my white decks.
Signature by Inkfox Aesthetics by Kelzam
- BeneTleilax
- Posts: 1330
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
I guess my metas don't really have a lot of big cheat effects that aren't better answered with a Strict Proctor or good wraths.
-
Hawk Slayer of Threads
- Posts: 1166
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: Salt Lake City, UT
This is really niche. Like yeah, it can stop a big reanimator or sneak turn...but only if you have it right then. You know what else stops reanimator? Playing graveyard hate. And often in this format, just having removal stops a lot of the worst of this stuff too. Like, looking at the top commanders...
- This stops Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow...once. Or, it stops a single ninjutsued out creature. Then, they just don't do any more ninja tricks for the turn once you've shown them the moonlight. Maybe that ends up making this a fog of sorts, helping you just take a bunch of 1/1 dork damage rather than big ninja swings, but it's pretty niche. Having a kill spell once the ninja comes in also stops the ninjas.
- This punks a single activation of Kenrith, the Returned King, Sisay, Weatherlight Captain, Meren of Clan Nel Toth, and others. Bleh.
- This will stymie a single turn of "go off" nonsense from Edgar Markov or Alela, Artful Provocateur or Kykar, Wind's Fury ...but, again, they'll just stop after you cast this (or keep going off and building their board and just suck up the lack of tokens for a round). It's a losing battle.
There are corner cases (casting this in response to Living Death when that player just sacced their whole board to the Death to supercharge it), but for every one in a hundred games where this breaks your opponents back theres going to be ninety-nine where you cycle it (or hold it praying its good way longer than you ought to).
I could see it for a deck like Phelddagrif or some sorta Mardu Aikkido deck but even then its facing a ton of competition. Maybe a Boros Aikkido deck as a Sunforger target? Even then, its really hard to justify space in the '99 for a narrow hate piece like this.
- This stops Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow...once. Or, it stops a single ninjutsued out creature. Then, they just don't do any more ninja tricks for the turn once you've shown them the moonlight. Maybe that ends up making this a fog of sorts, helping you just take a bunch of 1/1 dork damage rather than big ninja swings, but it's pretty niche. Having a kill spell once the ninja comes in also stops the ninjas.
- This punks a single activation of Kenrith, the Returned King, Sisay, Weatherlight Captain, Meren of Clan Nel Toth, and others. Bleh.
- This will stymie a single turn of "go off" nonsense from Edgar Markov or Alela, Artful Provocateur or Kykar, Wind's Fury ...but, again, they'll just stop after you cast this (or keep going off and building their board and just suck up the lack of tokens for a round). It's a losing battle.
There are corner cases (casting this in response to Living Death when that player just sacced their whole board to the Death to supercharge it), but for every one in a hundred games where this breaks your opponents back theres going to be ninety-nine where you cycle it (or hold it praying its good way longer than you ought to).
I could see it for a deck like Phelddagrif or some sorta Mardu Aikkido deck but even then its facing a ton of competition. Maybe a Boros Aikkido deck as a Sunforger target? Even then, its really hard to justify space in the '99 for a narrow hate piece like this.
Sufferer of EDHD
Commander: Current(ish) Arsenal
Daretti, Scrap Savant (Decklist) Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow Samut, Voice of Dissent The Gitrog Monster (Decklist)Quintorius, Field Historian
Volo, Guide to Monsters Sevinne, the Chronoclasm
----
Heliod, Sun-crowned Mirri the Cursed Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist Sygg, River Guide Jeska, Thrice Reborn // Falthis, Shadowcat Familair // Obosh the Preypiercer
Miara, Thorn of the Glade//Numa, Joraga Chieftain Arcades, the Strategist Phelddagrif Varina, Lich Queen
Daretti, Scrap Savant (Decklist) Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow Samut, Voice of Dissent The Gitrog Monster (Decklist)Quintorius, Field Historian
Volo, Guide to Monsters Sevinne, the Chronoclasm
----
Heliod, Sun-crowned Mirri the Cursed Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist Sygg, River Guide Jeska, Thrice Reborn // Falthis, Shadowcat Familair // Obosh the Preypiercer
Miara, Thorn of the Glade//Numa, Joraga Chieftain Arcades, the Strategist Phelddagrif Varina, Lich Queen
I had an opponent cast Hallowed Moonlight once in response to my Brago, King Eternal trigger. It was... not pleasant, to say the least.
More broadly, I think Hallowed Moonlight is a pretty niche effect. It can blow out reanimation / flicker / Birthing Pod / token effects, and the cantrip lowers the opportunity cost.... but I think the most common lines for it are to either cycle it aggressively (in which case it is an overcosted cantrip) or to hold on to it until you can get value (in which case you may be waiting a long time). It looks better if you have Flickerwisp effects to blink out your opponents' stuff, or if you can fetch it up on demand with Sunforger... but for most other decks, I'd prefer more targeted hate, such as Relic of Progenitus against graveyard recursion, Torpor Orb against flicker strategies, or Aven Mindcensor against tutor-to-play strategies.
More broadly, I think Hallowed Moonlight is a pretty niche effect. It can blow out reanimation / flicker / Birthing Pod / token effects, and the cantrip lowers the opportunity cost.... but I think the most common lines for it are to either cycle it aggressively (in which case it is an overcosted cantrip) or to hold on to it until you can get value (in which case you may be waiting a long time). It looks better if you have Flickerwisp effects to blink out your opponents' stuff, or if you can fetch it up on demand with Sunforger... but for most other decks, I'd prefer more targeted hate, such as Relic of Progenitus against graveyard recursion, Torpor Orb against flicker strategies, or Aven Mindcensor against tutor-to-play strategies.
- hyalopterouslemur
- Posts: 3218
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
It's hate for reanimator, blink, and tokens, and a few oddball things like Sneak Attack and Rebels. It's pretty ridiculous when it matters, and it really should matter in this format.
Thanks to Feyd_Ruin for the avatar!
- toctheyounger
- Posts: 3986
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: Auckland, New Zealand
I like Moonlight myself. It is very niche, but it allows you to be asymmetrical in this scope of hate where something like Containment Priest does not, and where I run it in Bruna that's pretty great. Replacing itself in hand is good too.
The advantage this has over other options is that it isn't telegraphed. Things that sit around can be played around. Containment Priest does both, the surprise hoser and the preventative measure, with the tradeoff being that it doesn't hit tokens. Its a good backup for Containment Priest if you really need two copies of the effect for some reason, or a good alternative if you're just as worried about something like Kiki Conscripts as you are about T&N.
-
3drinks Kaalia's Personal Liaison
- Posts: 4832
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: Ruined City of Drannith, Ikoria
Tuesday, November 30th, 2021; Peace Talks
When you really want to combo off but you need to buy a turn. Side note: wtf is "multiverse gift box" and why haven't I heard of it until now? How large was this "set" and how wide was it's distribution?
When you really want to combo off but you need to buy a turn. Side note: wtf is "multiverse gift box" and why haven't I heard of it until now? How large was this "set" and how wide was it's distribution?
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Modern
87guide Burn
87guide Burn
Commander
Kellan, the Fae-Blooded // Birthright Boon (local secret santa gift)
Torbran, Thane of Red Fell (Red Deck Wins)
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death (Slivers)
Kaalia HQ
Kellan, the Fae-Blooded // Birthright Boon (local secret santa gift)
Torbran, Thane of Red Fell (Red Deck Wins)
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death (Slivers)
Kaalia HQ
Huh, weird. Peace Talks is... not a card that works quite as well in multiplayer - if you cast it on your turn, you can't attack, and neither can the player after you, but any other players will be unaffected. As a result, I value that clause pretty low - unless the person you're afraid of attacking is very specifically the next player, it won't do much. I'd prefer Holy Day or Dawn Charm as combat protection in that case.
The other place I could see it being used is to protect a combo turn from spot removal - it stops spells and activated abilities from targeting, but there are plenty of ways to combo off with just triggered abilities (ex: Karmic Guide + Reveillark). However, in this case, I think it is outclassed by Silence and similar effects.
....so yeah, I can't think of any use cases for the card. Orim's Chant seems like a strict upgrade.
Also:
The other place I could see it being used is to protect a combo turn from spot removal - it stops spells and activated abilities from targeting, but there are plenty of ways to combo off with just triggered abilities (ex: Karmic Guide + Reveillark). However, in this case, I think it is outclassed by Silence and similar effects.
....so yeah, I can't think of any use cases for the card. Orim's Chant seems like a strict upgrade.
Also:
The Multiverse Gift Box was released in November 1996. Featuring a mix of boosters from different sets in different languages, it was the first box to emphasize the international aspect of Magic. Additionally it offered a unique possibility to have a look at a future Magic set three months before it was released.
-
RowanKeltizar Firemind
- Posts: 531
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: New Mexico
- Contact:
I agree with Mookie, Peace Talks needs to be an instant to be useful.
Kaalia, Zenith Seeker - Certified Air Raid Material
Elenda, the Dusk Rose - Drain and Gain
Aurelia, the Warleader - Tokens/Equipment
Niv-Mizzet, Parun - Controlled Burn primer
Henzie, "Toolbox" Torre - Creature Feature
Soul of Windgrace - Lands Matter
Gishath, Sun's Avatar - I'M YOUR DADDY
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice - Artifact Stax Beatdown
Shorikai, Genesis Engine
Elenda, the Dusk Rose - Drain and Gain
Aurelia, the Warleader - Tokens/Equipment
Niv-Mizzet, Parun - Controlled Burn primer
Henzie, "Toolbox" Torre - Creature Feature
Soul of Windgrace - Lands Matter
Gishath, Sun's Avatar - I'M YOUR DADDY
Atraxa, Praetors' Voice - Artifact Stax Beatdown
Budget Starter Decks
Sygg, River CutthroatShorikai, Genesis Engine
-
Hawk Slayer of Threads
- Posts: 1166
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: Salt Lake City, UT
@Mookie is right on - if you are worried about combat, you should be running a more versatile/powerful/cheap/recurrable Fog like Holy Day, Dawn Charm, or Kami of False Hope. If you are looking for a way to disrupt combo, that's a lot harder in white - you likely want some preemptive hatebears and rule-setting from something like a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben or Containment Priest , but might also look at stuff like Abeyance or Silence. If you are trying to protect your own combo, the last two spells there are better at that too and there's also Grand Abolisher. Finally, we've got Orim's Chant and Teferi's Protection as spells that sorta "do it all" in terms of protecting you and your boardstate from attacks and combos.
At instant speed this would be spicy, so I might consider it in a UW deck playing all the "you may cast spells as instants" trickery? But even then, now we're competing with real counterspells.
At instant speed this would be spicy, so I might consider it in a UW deck playing all the "you may cast spells as instants" trickery? But even then, now we're competing with real counterspells.
Sufferer of EDHD
Commander: Current(ish) Arsenal
Daretti, Scrap Savant (Decklist) Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow Samut, Voice of Dissent The Gitrog Monster (Decklist)Quintorius, Field Historian
Volo, Guide to Monsters Sevinne, the Chronoclasm
----
Heliod, Sun-crowned Mirri the Cursed Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist Sygg, River Guide Jeska, Thrice Reborn // Falthis, Shadowcat Familair // Obosh the Preypiercer
Miara, Thorn of the Glade//Numa, Joraga Chieftain Arcades, the Strategist Phelddagrif Varina, Lich Queen
Daretti, Scrap Savant (Decklist) Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow Samut, Voice of Dissent The Gitrog Monster (Decklist)Quintorius, Field Historian
Volo, Guide to Monsters Sevinne, the Chronoclasm
----
Heliod, Sun-crowned Mirri the Cursed Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist Sygg, River Guide Jeska, Thrice Reborn // Falthis, Shadowcat Familair // Obosh the Preypiercer
Miara, Thorn of the Glade//Numa, Joraga Chieftain Arcades, the Strategist Phelddagrif Varina, Lich Queen
-
3drinks Kaalia's Personal Liaison
- Posts: 4832
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: Ruined City of Drannith, Ikoria
Worth noting, there's nothing stopping you from casting this in 2nd main phase...
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Modern
87guide Burn
87guide Burn
Commander
Kellan, the Fae-Blooded // Birthright Boon (local secret santa gift)
Torbran, Thane of Red Fell (Red Deck Wins)
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death (Slivers)
Kaalia HQ
Kellan, the Fae-Blooded // Birthright Boon (local secret santa gift)
Torbran, Thane of Red Fell (Red Deck Wins)
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death (Slivers)
Kaalia HQ
- BeneTleilax
- Posts: 1330
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
It's still too dependent on turn order to be particularly valuable as a fog or a silence, unless you're already trying to leverage seating arrangement/turn order with Pramikon, Sky Rampart.
- hyalopterouslemur
- Posts: 3218
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
The problem isn't that this is bad per se, just that there are a dozen other options that do it better. Especially in multiplayer.
Thanks to Feyd_Ruin for the avatar!
Yeah, if this had been errataed to affect everyone's turns, I'd think about playing it. As is? Nah. It's a cool idea, but it just doesn't work very well in multiplayer, as everyone else pointed out. Pity about that, but hey. If you're ever doing more casual 1v1 and have some sort of pillowfort setup, it could be cool there.
39 Commander decks and counting. I'm sure this is fine, and not at all a problem.
-
TheAmericanSpirit Supreme Dumb Guy
- Posts: 2195
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: IGMCULSL Papal Palace
Magic is a zero sum game. There can be no peace, therefore I cannot see the point of paying two to hold a convention about it. Also inb4 someone says Divine Intervention exists, %$#% %$#% %$#% that %$#% can go lick a %$#% %$#% %$#% covered in %$#%$#% and horseradish.
There's no biscuits and gravy in New Zealand.
(Except when DirkGently makes them!)
(Except when DirkGently makes them!)
-
3drinks Kaalia's Personal Liaison
- Posts: 4832
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: Ruined City of Drannith, Ikoria
Wednesday, December 1st, 2021; Crush of Wurms
Man. What a Blast from the Past. The OG Timmy (or Tammy, I don't judge!) card.
Man. What a Blast from the Past. The OG Timmy (or Tammy, I don't judge!) card.
Steel Sabotage'ng Orbs of Mellowness since 2011.
Modern
87guide Burn
87guide Burn
Commander
Kellan, the Fae-Blooded // Birthright Boon (local secret santa gift)
Torbran, Thane of Red Fell (Red Deck Wins)
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death (Slivers)
Kaalia HQ
Kellan, the Fae-Blooded // Birthright Boon (local secret santa gift)
Torbran, Thane of Red Fell (Red Deck Wins)
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death (Slivers)
Kaalia HQ
-
Hawk Slayer of Threads
- Posts: 1166
- Joined: 4 years ago
- Pronoun: he / him
- Location: Salt Lake City, UT
This was THE original Timmy/Tammy card, and to this day the P/T to Mana Value ratio is unmatched:
- Terastodon CAN be 18/18 of stats for one less mana, but only if you stone rain yourself. Don't get me wrong, Terastodon's ability to naturalize enemy threats makes it a better card overall, but in terms of raw stats Crush wins.
- Craterhoof Behemoth and End-Raze Forerunners have more abilities and SHOULD shake out to 18/18 worth of stats the turn they are cast by overrunning your board, but that's a one shot compared to a stabilizing army in a crash of wurms.
- Apex Chimera and Artisan of Kozilek should also be way more than 18/18 worth of stats on board unless your deck is truly bizarre, but there's an element of chance to it and also Apex does cost one more to initially cast. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth should be more overall value, but again is 10 mana up front.
- Impervious Greatwurm and Ghalta, Primal Hunger are similar but lesser stats. They do have abilities and ways to be cheated out that make them overall better cards, but still behind in raw stats.
And that's before we factor in the flashback! Practically speaking this card is never going to be great, but it's a ton of fun and a blast from the past and I wouldn't fault anyone for slamming it. Probably at its best in Ruxa, Patient Professor or Wurm Tribal (and a bit of a bombo for Mayael the Anima and Atla Palani, Nest Tender so I'm surprised to see them as the top commanders for it)
- Terastodon CAN be 18/18 of stats for one less mana, but only if you stone rain yourself. Don't get me wrong, Terastodon's ability to naturalize enemy threats makes it a better card overall, but in terms of raw stats Crush wins.
- Craterhoof Behemoth and End-Raze Forerunners have more abilities and SHOULD shake out to 18/18 worth of stats the turn they are cast by overrunning your board, but that's a one shot compared to a stabilizing army in a crash of wurms.
- Apex Chimera and Artisan of Kozilek should also be way more than 18/18 worth of stats on board unless your deck is truly bizarre, but there's an element of chance to it and also Apex does cost one more to initially cast. Kozilek, Butcher of Truth should be more overall value, but again is 10 mana up front.
- Impervious Greatwurm and Ghalta, Primal Hunger are similar but lesser stats. They do have abilities and ways to be cheated out that make them overall better cards, but still behind in raw stats.
And that's before we factor in the flashback! Practically speaking this card is never going to be great, but it's a ton of fun and a blast from the past and I wouldn't fault anyone for slamming it. Probably at its best in Ruxa, Patient Professor or Wurm Tribal (and a bit of a bombo for Mayael the Anima and Atla Palani, Nest Tender so I'm surprised to see them as the top commanders for it)
Sufferer of EDHD
Commander: Current(ish) Arsenal
Daretti, Scrap Savant (Decklist) Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow Samut, Voice of Dissent The Gitrog Monster (Decklist)Quintorius, Field Historian
Volo, Guide to Monsters Sevinne, the Chronoclasm
----
Heliod, Sun-crowned Mirri the Cursed Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist Sygg, River Guide Jeska, Thrice Reborn // Falthis, Shadowcat Familair // Obosh the Preypiercer
Miara, Thorn of the Glade//Numa, Joraga Chieftain Arcades, the Strategist Phelddagrif Varina, Lich Queen
Daretti, Scrap Savant (Decklist) Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow Samut, Voice of Dissent The Gitrog Monster (Decklist)Quintorius, Field Historian
Volo, Guide to Monsters Sevinne, the Chronoclasm
----
Heliod, Sun-crowned Mirri the Cursed Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist Sygg, River Guide Jeska, Thrice Reborn // Falthis, Shadowcat Familair // Obosh the Preypiercer
Miara, Thorn of the Glade//Numa, Joraga Chieftain Arcades, the Strategist Phelddagrif Varina, Lich Queen
Crush of Wurms is an enormous pile of stats, but it doesn't quite make the cut these days compared to options like Apex Devastator and Worldspine Wurm - if you're investing that much mana into a single card, you generally want some immediate value, and a pile of vanilla beef isn't necessarily going to get there - I'd be much more enthusiastic if they had trample or something. Still, quantity does trump quality in some situations, and 18/18 points of stats are going to have a significant board impact (assuming your opponents don't have a board wipe). If you can generate value from the flashback, even better - although I'd probably lean towards the significantly cheaper Roar of the Wurm or Honored Hydra.
Certainly worth consideration for style points though.
Certainly worth consideration for style points though.