Exploit is an ETB trigger, so it'll trigger twice with yarok in play. As long as Sidisi is in play when both exploit triggers resolve (Aka you don't sacrifice her to the first one), and you sacrifice something to each she'll trigger twice and get you 2 tutors.
Wouldn't it have to exploit again though? I remember this being such a contested issue, and it's been ages since I a sleeved Sidisi up. Like, people trying to work it as you describe and getting caught in that "gotcha" moment. It may be another effect...but I seem to keep recalling this with exploit, because of how it's written.Wallycaine wrote: ↑3 years agoExploit is an ETB trigger, so it'll trigger twice with yarok in play. As long as Sidisi is in play when both exploit triggers resolve (Aka you don't sacrifice her to the first one), and you sacrifice something to each she'll trigger twice and get you 2 tutors.
As far as the comparison with Rune-Scarred Demon goes, mana is a pretty big difference, even at the cost of sacrificing a dude. There's a reason Diabolic Intent is considered better than Diabolic Tutor.
That's why I said you'd have to sacrifice something to each exploit trigger. You're getting two Diabolic Intents, and you've got to sacrifice for both of them, but you do get both.3drinks wrote: ↑3 years agoWouldn't it have to exploit again though? I remember this being such a contested issue, and it's been ages since I a sleeved Sidisi up. Like, people trying to work it as you describe and getting caught in that "gotcha" moment. It may be another effect...but I seem to keep recalling this with exploit, because of how it's written.Wallycaine wrote: ↑3 years agoExploit is an ETB trigger, so it'll trigger twice with yarok in play. As long as Sidisi is in play when both exploit triggers resolve (Aka you don't sacrifice her to the first one), and you sacrifice something to each she'll trigger twice and get you 2 tutors.
As far as the comparison with Rune-Scarred Demon goes, mana is a pretty big difference, even at the cost of sacrificing a dude. There's a reason Diabolic Intent is considered better than Diabolic Tutor.
I think Sidisi probably sucks in the command zone, but is fine in the maindeck, depending on the maindeck.3drinks wrote: ↑3 years agoFriday, May 22nd, 2020; Sidisi, Undead Vizier
So, like what do we got here? The premiere MBC commander but realistically, getting a 5, then 7 diabolic tutour isn't all that great. In fact you can already do this with Increasing Ambition, and we know how much play that card sees........
Obviously in an etb deck, whether it blinks or enhances the quantity of etb triggers (a la Yarok) then sure, getting two tutours off a card is great. Wait is it? Don't you lose the trigger on resolution if you didn't exploit?
So why this? Runescarred demon is seven and you keep a fat body around. I think this card is seeing too much play, and if edhrec ever had me on the show, I'd love to use this as my challenge the stats card.
Aside from that first sentence, this is about where I was leading towards with my synopsis. It's a good card that many people mistake as great and play it too much, when they don't exactly have the infrastructure to make use of it as more than a five mana tutour. Though, I'd argue all it really takes is an active Gravecrawler to make this thing ridiculous as people want it to be.Sinis wrote: ↑3 years agoI think Sidisi probably sucks in the command zone, but is fine in the maindeck, depending on the maindeck.
Sidisi conveniently disposes of itself (or something else) for repeatable reanimation. Chainer of either flavour probably likes that. You could argue that you should just play Rune-Scarred Demon + Sac outlet, but you don't always draw those; Sidisi is self-contained. Second, Sidisi is more aggressively costed than Rune-Scarred Demon; this can be highly relevant if you urgently need to find an answer and leverage it immediately, or if your sac outlets cost mana for the purposes of recurring more (even High Market basically means you're forgoing mana with RSD). Third, Deathtouch is a rattlesnake-y thing to have, and can be quite useful.
That said, the exploit mechanic is only good if you have surrounding infrastructure to use it. In a vacuum, it's a 5 mana tutor which is pretty bad (3 mana is about my limit for non-creature tutors, with Beseech the Queen). However, if you're using something like Corpse Dance and don't have your free sac outlet available, additional mana costs can add up.
So, I think it's probably on par with Rune-Scarred Demon. Currently, I don't play it in any decks, because none of my decks have that infrastructure, but I have played it before, and will definitely play it again.
I'm missing the combo, here. Gravecrawler can get exploited and then come back. And... then what? We could do this with Bloodghast, too. Sidisi has to enter the battlefield to trigger, so, just being able to recur Gravecrawler doesn't really do much.
I don't think anybody plays Sidisi that way. Part of her strength in reanimator decks is that reanimation is easy to come by in black and very often cheaper than her casting cost. But the other part is that Rune-Scarred Demon need to have a sac outlet to be re-used, whereas Sidisi can self-sac.
The ETB exploit ability would get doubled by Yarok, so if you have one creature for each exploit ability (e.g., two other creatures) to sacrifice then yes, you can tutor two cards. If you sacrifice her along with any other creatures to copied exploit triggers, she has to sacrificed to the last one.
I wanted to point out the phrasing of this has an issue. Her ETB exploit ability will still resolve if she's not on the battlefield, and you can still sacrifice a creature to it if you want. It's that if she is removed in response to the exploit ability and is then not on the battlefield when a creature is sacrificed to that ability, her other "when ~ exploits" ability won't trigger and you won't tutor.PrimevalCommander wrote: ↑3 years agoedit- I didn't know Exploit only resolves if the creature is in play during resolution. I'll have to look out for that in the future. It has not happened to me yet. Though I figure many don't know that is even an option to stop the trigger. Doesn't change my opinion of the card.
I think the "control a red permanent" clause is what kills the possibility of inclusion for just general underworld dreams use. If this could come down turn one and start picking away at people, then it could earn a place, but with that extra requirement, most players are probably just going to reach for a more reliable source.Mookie wrote: ↑3 years agoYeah, this seems like a Nekusar, the Mindrazer card, or wheel-based decks in general. One mana is pretty cheap for the effect. It also works with Obosh, the Preypiercer and damage doublers, and you can throw Curiosity on it for a build-your-own-Consecrated Sphinx.
I'm somewhat curious as to whether this is any good elsewhere. I'd compare to Soul Warden, which is a cheap card that sees a lot of play to gain a large chunk of life and enable various lifegain synergies. Would Kederekt Parasite be worth playing just to chip away at opponents' life totals and enable various life loss synergies? It turns on Bloodchief Ascension pretty quickly, but I suspect it doesn't contribute enough raw damage to be worth running as a Lava Axe without support. I wouldn't expect this to live long enough to deal more than 3-4 damage per opponent, which isn't that exciting for most decks.
I'm going to go with a bevy. Besides that card, it does actually seem appropriate: "A large group of people or things of a particular kind."
