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Post by Morganelefay » 1 year ago

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So uh, dear Wizards...who thought having a better Glimpse of Nature in the command zone was a GOOD idea, exactly? This thing is gonna be broken in half before the set even releases. Just think about the synergy with Karametra, God of Harvests and Tatyova, Benthic Druid on top of everything...
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Post by Dunharrow » 1 year ago

Dumb with Aluren, but so are many generals. I think it is really cool. The stats are terrible.

There are a lot of ways to break it and draw your deck but I suspect many people will be playing this just for value.

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Post by pokken » 1 year ago

It's going to be more awkward to balance than people think and the activated ability is absurdly expensive to activate. Lots of ways to combo with it but lots of ways to drop your hand ramping into it and then have it die and get blown out.

The tension between mana creatures and this critter costing 5 and benefitting you having lots of lands in hand is also quite awkward.
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Post by benjameenbear » 1 year ago

I think the CMC of the card is actually pretty fair, considering it's a draw-on-cast trigger. Aluren is the easiest way to break him in these colors and I think it opens up an interesting identity for Bant. It also helps to solidify certain ETB effects by giving yet another pseudo-blink effect that also creates a cast trigger, which is interesting

I'm a fan... and I wonder what the Grixis legend will be?
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Post by SocorroTortoise » 1 year ago

Arcane Signet is a great card and I'll run it in many, many decks going forward but I'm not really a fan of the design. I appreciate WotC making good mana fixing more accessible (depending on how budget friendly this actually is). I'm not a big fan of having more cards that are almost always best in class. I like having to weight costs and benefits for what goes into a list and this kind of printing reduces that.

Chulane is strong and boring. Another UGx legendary that staples value to game actions you were already likely to take.
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Post by MRHblue » 1 year ago

Yea Chulane, Teller of Tales just invalidates so many Bant Commanders with pure value. Not a 5 / 7

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Post by FoxOfWar » 1 year ago

...given that I was already considering combining my Prime Speaker Zegana and Arcades the Strategist decks into one bant-creature-spam deck, this was... uh, a very convenient spoiler. Spam creatures to spam creatures to spam creatures. Win probably with sheer critical mass of creature/card advantage... (Although limiting myself only to creatures and lands so as to not completely break stuff.)

I expect the guy to be kill-on-sight and really I can't complain about that.
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Post by Mookie » 1 year ago

Arcane Signet looks amazing. There aren't many colored two mana rocks available for monocolor decks (pretty much just Charcoal Diamond cycle) so it looks great there. Two color decks get another option to go with their normal SIgnet and Talisman. And 3+ color decks get a rock that taps for all their colors, instead of just two. I'm currently playing Fellwar Stone in many of my decks, and this looks to be an almost strict upgrade.

Chulane is... interesting. Guardian Project and Beast Whisperer already exist at four mana, so this isn't particularly new, although being in the command zone is a significant upgrade. Getting to put in lands is new, and them being untapped is sort of concerning. The second ability compares unfavorably to Roon of the Hidden Realm, but also has the ability to target itself to protect from removal, which sounds very annoying. Overall, card looks very powerful - he provides card advantage, mana advantage, and can protect himself, which ticks all three of my boxes for 'is this a good commander'. Will be interesting to compare Chulane decks to Karametra, God of Harvests decks, at least.

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Post by Taleran » 1 year ago

As someone who keeps harping on that the power creep is coming from inside the house, this is a pretty good representation of that.

That being said 3 color Druid is cool

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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 1 year ago

Gut reaction is that Chulane is the kind of general that will people try to build and play fairly, but will end up like Kaalia, Narset, Oloro, Zur and co. A bit too powerful to be fair and/or fly under the table, but not powerful enough to be banned.

Nothing against the card. Seems overall decent. Not sure if I would build or not though.

Fixed Prophet of Kruphix? /shrug
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Post by gilrad » 1 year ago

That self-bounce is spicy. My initial thoughts were, "well a five-mana build-around commander is just asking to be killed twice and then sit in the command zone forever." Then I saw that she can bounce herself, and now I agree that she'll get a lot of hate, mostly because if you don't she'll dominate the game.

So aside from haste and counterspell shenanigans, you basically have a short window after she's cast to deal with her, which means most players when they see her revealed in the command zone at the start of the game, will keep removal just for her. At least I hope so; there's probably going to be lots of thrown games where everybody focuses too much on their own board and she dominates two rounds later.

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Post by Myllior » 1 year ago

Chulane's ceiling will likely be lower than Derevi's, but his floor will be higher; he's a value machine that will be the new head for any generic goodstuff Bant deck. Giving a Growth Spiral per creature cast is already powerful enough, allowing you to get value despite counterspells or Torpor Orb effects. Tack on the ability to bounce your creatures to cast them again and vigilance so you don't have to decide between attacking or using the bounce ability and you have a very pushed design. It feels like whoever designed this card didn't know where to stop.

The above probably sounds fairly alarmist, but I don't mean it be. There's just a lot happening on one card, which usually indicates something busted may happen. I'm still very interested to see what people do with him; if there'll be some middle ground between infinite combos and just jamming him in the command zone for value.

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Post by bobthefunny » 1 year ago

I'm a little bit disappointed. I have to admit that I dislike hyper-specific Generals, which are clear linear builds - but I also dislike those that are straight up too vague. This one just leans very hard into the bant goodstuff color pie.

I could easily just rebuild my old Jenara deck, slot this in the Command zone, and just be good to go. I could even just swap my Roon deck with him, and be fine... and that's a voltron deck.

It looks like a powerful ability, but a high cost... just... uninspiring.

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Post by schweinefett » 1 year ago

Equilibrium and that guy seems good, especially if you're already gonna go with aluren.

It's legends like this that move me away from playing green in edh. Like really? It's so uninspiring and boring, just valuetown all the way. I wanna see something that's beyond just draw cards and mana ramping.

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Post by 75chan » 1 year ago

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Arcane Signet is a great card and I'll run it in many, many decks going forward but I'm not really a fan of the design. I appreciate WotC making good mana fixing more accessible (depending on how budget friendly this actually is). I'm not a big fan of having more cards that are almost always best in class. I like having to weight costs and benefits for what goes into a list and this kind of printing reduces that.
I mostly agree. That being said, if there's one type of card where I'm okay with there being best-in-class options that are budget friendly, it's mana-fixing cards. That being said, i don't think it's an autoinclude in green decks, which have the options of land-based and dork-based ramp/fixing whenever it fits the deck better.
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Post by NoNeedToBragoBoutIt » 1 year ago

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*sigh* I'm annoyed by the amount of breakable commanders WotC is printing - especially in Precons.

Printing powerhouses in Precons is taming format beginners to an absurd power level. It may be an anecdotal sentiment of mine, but i know plenty of players that have been playing EDH since forever that are already lamenting a lack of casual decks in LGSs and playgroups. If i were in charge i'd print less powerful, "fair" and flavorful commanders in Precons, that satisfy different needs of players but increase the card quality in those decks. Regulars would want to grab the singles regardless of the commanders and newbies could enter the world of "build casually, play competitively" without an instant sense of needing to upgrade their deck to accommodate those levels of play. I'd love incentives that have players enter at a level that's closer to what was intended, when the format was in it's baby shoes.
There's no need to stop printing strong legends either, just put them in sublemental sets, where players, that are into them, find them nonetheless.

Sorry for the rant, but over the last few sets i became further disappointed with the cards printed as commander options.
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Post by Sanity_Eclipse » 1 year ago

Naya Populate, Rakdos Madness, Jeskai Flashback, Sultai Morph confirmed. Ghired seems strong, Anje Falkenrath seems a bit meh, Sevinne also seems strong, as does Kadena.
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Anje comes down cheap and fast as a legendary Mad Prophet kinda creature, and lets you untap her when you discard Madness cards.

Sevinne doesn't die from damage and copies the first spell you cast from your graveyard each turn.

Kadena cheapens your first morph every turn by 3, and draws you a card for face-down creatures entering your battlefield.
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 1 year ago

Anje's awesome, mind you. Get a nice madness chain going and you'll be in serious value town. However, you're stuck with a 40-deep madness card pool at present, including such future EDH staples as Weirded Vampire. I'm pretty sure this one's gonna rely super hard on the new cards they print. And that they must, if this thing's to stand a chance against the other precons. The populate one comes with a promise of the tokens being no less lardy than 3/3.

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Anje's awesome, mind you. Get a nice madness chain going and you'll be in serious value town. However, you're stuck with a 40-deep madness card pool at present, including such future EDH staples as Weirded Vampire. I'm pretty sure this one's gonna rely super hard on the new cards they print. And that they must, if this thing's to stand a chance against the other precons. The populate one comes with a promise of the tokens being no less lardy than 3/3.
Maybe she could be an engine for Reanimator or something else like that, but yeah, that deck is gonna rely on the new Madness cards.

None of the reveals in terms of Generals have been bad, but nothing's grabbed my attention too much yet. Here's hoping on the secondaries.
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Post by Rumpy5897 » 1 year ago

I hear ya. These guys are all rather "new school" - take a basic gameplay idea, ram copying or draw as payoff, print it. The crappier the mechanic (cough madness cough), the more dramatic the bribing. I'm the most excited I've been since C16, but that's not saying much. Hopefully some secondaries are gloriously weird.

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Post by bobthefunny » 1 year ago

I like the red populate card. Serious potential there.

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I hear ya. These guys are all rather "new school" - take a basic gameplay idea, ram copying or draw as payoff, print it. The crappier the mechanic (cough madness cough), the more dramatic the bribing. I'm the most excited I've been since C16, but that's not saying much. Hopefully some secondaries are gloriously weird.
All hail weird!

Just a reminder, Anje's ability doesn't require you to pay/cast the madness card you discarded. Long as you discard a card with madness, you can untap her. There might actually be a combo involving this untapping?

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Post by toctheyounger » 1 year ago

Yeah. I'm not SUPER psyched on any of these at present. The sultai, Kadena, looks cool, but I was never overly sold on the mechanics so based on these it'll take some convincing spoilers for me to grab any of these. The strongest as it seems to me will likely be the impervious Jeskai flashback general, purely because it's a strong mechanic with some existing value, and Jeskai is good at going off pretty quickly.

Honestly I was hoping for cooler things than these, but that's fine. So long as we don't see anything as boring as Yarok the Desecrated I'm ok. Initially I thought it was fine, but playing a couple of games against it the deck is predictable and frankly a bit ridiculous. So I guess at least these new ones are playing with corners that haven't been overly explored thus far.
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