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Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:43 pm
by ZenN
Battle of Frost and Fire is actually pretty cool. 4 damage is often enough to wipe the board of the majority of things, and the rest of the value you get from it is nice. I don't think it goes into any of my decks right now, but it's definitely something I could see myself playing in the future. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see it get played in some other formats.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:41 pm
by BeneTleilax
Does
Clarion Spirit actually get in Feather? Half the tokens but with flying seems to put it around the level of Y Peezy.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:18 pm
by folding_music
Narfi, Betrayer King is so fun and casual. So natural a card to appear in
Tormod, the Desecrator's deck or vice versa, and the virtual 3 cmc is really good.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:30 pm
by BeneTleilax
Sedris, the Traitor King
Someone at Creative really likes traitor kings.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:42 pm
by Toshi
Mystical Reflection is straight up bananas.
I mean,
Chasm Skulker death trigger on the stack plus anything = profit!?
Combined with other colors/token generators like
Avenger of Zendikar,
Tempt with Vengeance and so forth, oh boy.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:51 pm
by tstorm823
I'm still really peeved about
Ajani, the Greathearted for obvious personal reasons.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:11 pm
by pokken
Aegar, the Freezing Flame is pretty dang interesting.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20 pm
by BeneTleilax
I wouldn't say interesting, in that he's another 'whenever you X, draw a card', but he's certainly a strong general for Izzet Giant tribal and damage-based wraths. Between this and Toralf,
Blasphemous Act just got good deal better.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:31 pm
by ilovesaprolings
Honestly these uncommons are baffling to me. The giant is the perfect example: instead of being an awesome timmy card it's a puny 3/3 that draw cards. Yawn.
More Gishaths less "draw a card" please. But i guess it's just my opinion.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:32 pm
by Dunharrow
You can also have your opponent's Ugin enter the battlefield as a mana dork or a token. Very versatile card!
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:37 pm
by Rumpy5897
You do realise that Gishath is draw++, right? He draws them and then cheats them into play
I don't like how many commanders in the set incentivise you to stop your opponents from playing the game.
Sarulf, Realm Eater,
Tergrid, God of Fright,
Toralf, God of Fury, now
Aegar, the Freezing Flame. None of them are as oppressive as
Child of Alara, I acknowledge that. But you don't have to be the best at something to be unpleasant.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:51 pm
by Candlemane
Saraulf can be killed, and if three people don't have removal, then I dunno. It happens. Aegar needs some build time to really work, and blowing a wipe early doesn't help much if you keep increasing commander tax, but point taken.
As for Tegrid and Toralf, I think those are more damning in that it's less of a choice you can make in both time and strategy, depending on your build. For these two in particular, and I LOVE red, I never want to see them in a command zone myself ever, and it makes commanders I already don't like seeing like Purphoros, Yawgmoth or Nekusar even worse because they can just sit in the 99. I've been on the brink of winning games when someone topdecks something like these, in my-in-point case Urza, and completely turns the tide with one card.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:57 pm
by pokken
ilovesaprolings wrote: ↑3 years ago
Honestly these uncommons are baffling to me. The giant is the perfect example: instead of being an awesome timmy card it's a puny 3/3 that draw cards. Yawn.
More Gishaths less "draw a card" please. But i guess it's just my opinion.
turning doing suboptimal things into card draw engines is one of my weak points lol
Pretty much the sweet spot of commander for me.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:46 pm
by Mookie
Aegar, the Freezing Flame looks interesting to me. As others have already pointed out, it's another 'do X, draw card' commander... but I don't mind that nearly as much when it shows up on an uncommon. It also has a fair amount of flexibility - you could use it with
Blasphemous Act effects, but it also triggers off giants and wizards, making them extremely awkward to chump block, which is sort of cool.
Narfi, Betrayer King is a miss for me, but I assume someone will find a way to abuse
Reassembling Skeleton in the command zone. Recurring anthem effect is also reasonable.
Clarion Spirit is fun. Might test in Teysa, although casting two spells in a turn seems a bit too inconsistent there.
Battle of Frost and Fire seems like a reasonable include for giant tribal decks, even if it doesn't trigger Aegar.
Cyclone Summoner summons a pseudo-
Cyclonic Rift. Again, a sweet payoff for giant / wizard decks. One of the few times I'm happy for an 'if you cast from hand' clause, because flickering this would be... gross. Other than that, asymmetric mass bounce spell is a very strong tempo play.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:45 pm
by Dunharrow
Mookie wrote: ↑3 years ago
Cyclone Summoner summons a pseudo-
Cyclonic Rift. Again, a sweet payoff for giant / wizard decks. One of the few times I'm happy for an 'if you cast from hand' clause, because flickering this would be... gross. Other than that, asymmetric mass bounce spell is a very strong tempo play.
It is a miss for me. There are enough good giants and wizards that I would rather have something
more dependable or
cheaper.
Playing this just for peoples Titans to stay in play seems depressing.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:53 pm
by Hermes_
not sure how i eel about this
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:03 am
by toctheyounger
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
not sure how i eel about this
Looks fine to me. I doubt highly it'll be anywhere near busted in EDH, might do some neat things in standard though (I honestly wouldn't know, tbh, I haven't been in standard for aeons). Like any saga, it's pretty slow without some sort of counter manipulation so it's probably fine wherever you might choose to run it.
I love the art. It suits the saga template well, and looks gorgeous.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:25 am
by BeneTleilax
Could see some play in Angel tribal where the removal mode can kill a bunch of dudes.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:25 am
by DirkGently
Firja's Judgment looks absolutely beyond stupid in limited. Can't wait for all my opponents to have one.
In commander, it seems medium. Angel tribal is most likely never going to be very good, and at absolute best, this seems worse than something like
Necromantic Selection in terms of swinging the board in your favor. You'd need to really get big damage from the double strike, which seems pretty slow and predictable. Still a fine card ofc, not even bad as a standalone, but I don't think it's anywhere near broken. 7/10?
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:28 am
by Mookie
Hermes_ wrote: ↑3 years ago
not sure how i eel about this
Kills most eels -
Coral Eel and
Sky-Eel School always die,
Electric Eel,
Skitter Eel, and
Windrider Eel die if not pumped.
Slipstream Eel lives.
That said, a
Serra Angel, delayed
Setessan Tactics, and
Flying Crane Technique is a solid package for any angel tribal deck. With this and
Rampage of the Valkyries, looks like Orzhov angels is getting some solid support. I don't think I'd run it without tribal synergies though - token and a kill spell is fine, but I would favor
Ravenous Chupacabra due to its immediate payoff and unconditional targeting.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:30 am
by pokken
Firja's Punishment is definitely extremely pushed and likely to be very good in its small niche in EDH lol
Kinda makes me want to build a
Sigil of the Empty Throne deck again.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:32 am
by toctheyounger
Ghen, Arcanum Weaver enchantress/angel tribal or something? Could be spicy. Jam in a
Luminarch Ascension and you're 3 cards deep already
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:36 am
by pokken
I think there's a deck there. You can play the usual
Skybind with powerful etb angels like
Angel of Serenity too.
Black also gets you the powerful animation enchantments for your fat angels. Kinda nice.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:43 am
by toctheyounger
pokken wrote: ↑3 years ago
I think there's a deck there. You can play the usual
Skybind with powerful etb angels like
Angel of Serenity too.
Black also gets you the powerful animation enchantments for your fat angels. Kinda nice.
There totally is.
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight gives you some sort of finisher, and you've got reanimation with stuff like
Animate Dead.
Emeria Shepherd gives you redundancy for permanent recursion when your commander drops off.
Mark of Fury makes sure you can swing with impunity.
You could get really nasty with it too, with stuff like
Doom Foretold and
Overwhelming Splendor.
Could actually be a pretty cool build.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:48 am
by Toshi
I know a guy that will run
Firja's Punishment in his Changeling tribal deck for sure!