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Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:18 am
by ukkuhrmakhai
Tegrid seems fun but she seems like she wants to be in a wheel deck most of all. Provides ramp when opponents discards lands to fuel the wheel train. As a commander she seems fun.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:53 am
by ZenN
Yeah,
Tergrid, God of Fear is nutty. I'm definitely going to be finding some homes for her. Even if I have to build them.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:21 am
by Crazy Monkey
I really like Tegrid in a MonoBlack control setup.
I like
Mind Slash and
Sadistic Hypnotist as a potentially repeated discard/theft option.
Why not go full
Pox?
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:20 am
by MAGUSZANIN
Rumpy5897 wrote: ↑3 years ago
Meanwhile, The Prismatic Bridge is another one of those ones. Is it more obnoxious than Golos? No. Will it beat out Golos? No. Will Golos run it? Also leaning no, as I don't think you can jam the Bridge off a flip. But every now and then you'll run into one of these in the wild that will cheat out Jin Gitface or other crazy haymakers way before their time. So like Jodah/Golos do, but with a slightly different flavour.
I will note that Jodah needs cards in hand and Golos requires you to tap out. Both are fairly vulnerable to removal. This requires neither, is immune to most wraths and spot removal, and gains you a free card every turn guaranteed where as the other two have a chance of whiffing.
My problem with him is that he is a nightmare to play on webcam. Once I can play in person I'll probably build this and play it twice before taking it apart. I already own a lot of stuff for this build so it will only require a small order at most.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:38 am
by Zahrim
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:04 am
by RedCheese
Tegrid is sweet. Might be the mono commander i have been look for finally?
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:06 am
by darrenhabib
I was reading
Tegrid, God of Fear I was waiting for the downside..but it never came.
Dark Deal or
Memory Jar and then put all the permanents including lands opponents discard into play. What? That is so busted I love it.
Going to brew a deck for sure. This is the sort of card that is going to play way better than you might even imagine.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:17 am
by toctheyounger
So Koma is the new Simic pushed mythic. I don't know what else to say, other than to ask if we should start a sweep for how quickly its banned from a format.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:18 am
by Hermes_
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:15 am
by Dunharrow
I know this is joke but it does make me think of
Leovold, Emissary of Trest a bit. The key difference is that black has very few wheels, though there are a few other ways Leovold would outshine Tegrid.
I don't really see Tegrid fitting into any of my decks, though I have a few Grave Pact decks...
Nekusar, the Mindrazer is obvious. (fun anecdote, before Nekusar was a card I had been working on a Grixis discard deck, and couldn't figure out which commander to use. Then all of a sudden, Nekusar came out, I was super excited, then I faced a million Nekusar decks and never even sleeved it up). Too overplayed and tiresome.
Should be its own commander, really, but I just don't want a second monoblack commander.
I dunno, maybe I should finally make Nekusar and just go full nonsense with
Hullbreacher,
Narset, Parter of Veils, etc.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:26 am
by Serenade
Sarulf and Tergrid seem like friends that I never want to play with or against. Tergrid also likes the Fleshbag clones.
Guys, it's okay, we'll be fine because we all will use U now and play
Ravenform to deck with these good, annoying critters.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:06 am
by Cyberium
BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years ago
Blue has straight up artifact removal now. Because color pie limitations are for Boros.
It's fine that Blue gets removal that match their identities, in this case it's transformation.
The real problem here is Blue doesn't need additional support as much as other colors (such as white and Boros) needing ramps and draw.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:15 am
by Toshi
My lord, she's disgusting in so many decks...
Kess, Dissident Mage,
Lazav, the Multifarious,
Meren of Clan Nel Toth,
Nath of the Gilt-Leaf,
Nekusar, the Mindrazer,
The Mimeoplasm, ...
And aside from
Pox and Wheels there's
Living Death,
Jace's Archivist and others.
Just the thought of a
Lazav, the Multifarious package consisting of
Tegrid, God of Fear,
Jace's Archivist,
Notion Thief,
Hullbreacher,
Opposition Agent et al makes me shudder.
Btw, why's her card tag Tegrid, when she's obviously named Tergrid?
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:31 pm
by folding_music
Spirit Blade's the exact sort of card I wanna play in my
Siona, Captain of the Pyleas deck, but I wish it granted an ability instead of stat ups. Even first strike would be more interesting! I love options-y resilient cards like this in general, especially in a deck which runs
Oath of Druids, but +2/+2 in commander feels like +0/+0 anywhere else lol
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:10 pm
by Serenade
Though I disdain tutors, I am excited to see what new cards the white snow-storic tutor can grab.
(Tutors either save your butt by finding an answer or dig up something to advance your gameplan. Right now I don't think the target package exists to do either with this card. Maybe people who play
Thalia's Lancers can provide more insight into what I am missing.)
(I do think we'll get neat cards to grab with it. I just don't think we have seen them yet. I like white trying to synergize with specific types, though.)
EDIT: I forgot planeswalkers exist and are legends. I don't like them and never use them. So I guess it's another PW tutor at the very least.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:57 pm
by BeneTleilax
Esika's Chariot goes in every Trostani deck ever, yeah
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:57 pm
by Toshi
Serenade wrote: ↑3 years ago
Right now I don't think the target package exists to do either with this card. Maybe people who play
Thalia's Lancers can provide more insight into what I am missing.
I've been playing them in my rather casual
Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist deck - mainly to fetch Planeswalkers, which are neatly secured by a first striking 4/4 - even without the kitty.
Considering the overall options in mono white alone we most significantly have:
Bombs like
Akroma's Memorial,
Avacyn, Angel of Hope,
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and Eldrazi.
Card draw such as
Alhammarret's Archive,
Azor's Gateway // Sanctum of the Sun and
Sram, Senior Edificer.
Wraths among others
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite,
Elspeth, Sun's Champion,
Myojin of Cleansing Fire,
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and
Urza's Ruinous Blast.
Recursion in
Ajani, Adversary of Tyrants and
Hall of Heliod's Generosity.
Combo Pieces with
Heliod, Sun-Crowned,
Helm of the Host and
Mindslaver.
Even Ramp with
Legion's Landing // Adanto, the First Fort,
Mox Amber,
Mox Opal,
Serra's Sanctum and to an extend
Azor's Gateway // Sanctum of the Sun
Hate Pieces such as
Hokori, Dust Drinker,
Linvala, Keeper of Silence and the Thalias.
I was never disappointed by drawing them and given you have enough targets - and no expectation of curving into them aggressively - they carry their weight, no doubt.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:16 pm
by Rumpy5897
That's a great overview, would just like to add
Mangara II for draw,
Mangara I for (shoddy) removal and
Sword of Rampant Growth for ramp. Yeah, this is not a bad card at all. The recursion aura's also something I'm happy about, as previously mentioned this is a direction I think white should get to follow more.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:56 pm
by NZB2323
Other solid legendary cards to tutor for:
- Serra's sanctum
- Gaea's cradle
- Kataki, war's wage
- Reki, the history of kamigawa
- Vivien, champion of the wilds
- Sorin Markov
- Kokusho, the evening star
- Yawgmoth, thran physician
- Teferi, time raveler
- Ashiok, dream render
- Linvala, keeper of silence
- Kamahl, fist of krosa
- Olivia voldaren
- Vona, butcher of magan
- Helm of the host
- Aurelia, the warleader
- Gisela, the broken blade
- Bruna, the fading light
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:05 pm
by Mookie
I've considered a legendary package for my Teysa deck in the past, with
Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle and
Primevals' Glorious Rebirth as the primary payoffs. I'm not sure if
Search for Glory will be enough to make me actually finally run it, but certainly an interesting option.
Quakebringer is
Sulfuric Vortex on a body, but triggering from the graveyard is pretty cool. Probably not an EDH card though.
Vega, the Watcher is mildly interesting. Foretell is the obvious payoff, but flashback / retrace / jump-start is also an option.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:32 pm
by lyonhaert
While Giant-tribal might not be common,
Conspiracy/
Arcane Adaptation stuff or changelings could use it, too.
Mookie wrote: ↑3 years ago
Vega, the Watcher is mildly interesting. Foretell is the obvious payoff, but flashback / retrace / jump-start is also an option.
Also copies cast via things like
Eye of the Storm or
Mizzix's Mastery, other ways of casting from graveyard like
Underworld Breach, casting from the library, Madness because it casts from exile, cascade, lots of kinds of spell theft,
Isochron Scepter. And your commander. There's a pretty wide swath of stuff that doesn't get cast from hand.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:37 pm
by Guardman
I really like
Vega, the Watcher, but not for normal reasons. I like it because I think it would be a great commander for either someone looking to build a budget azorius deck or a new player. It has a very clear goal of what it wants to do, its simple, and it has a lot of budget options on what it wants to do.
I love
Quakebringer just because it is metal.
And finally, they did it. They made
DRAUPNIR! One of my favorite legendary artifacts of all time in any mythos. Might be interesting in a proliferate, ramp deck. But either way, its lovely.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:19 am
by bobthefunny
Well, it also doesn't hit you.
I have a Jori En "6 drop tribal" deck, which evolved into a pile of solid stat creatures to copy up. I already run Frost/Inferno titan... I'm thinking about modifying it to extend into a more Giant friendly theme now. The new saga seems nice, and this seems like a fun Giant to copy a few times over.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:30 am
by Sinis
Mookie wrote: ↑3 years ago
Vega, the Watcher is mildly interesting. Foretell is the obvious payoff, but flashback / retrace / jump-start is also an option.
Suspend, Commanders, Eldraine Adventurers, too. It's just vague enough to be kind of exciting.
Re: Unreleased and New Card Discussion
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:05 pm
by Krishnath
Cyberium wrote: ↑3 years ago
BeneTleilax wrote: ↑3 years ago
Blue has straight up artifact removal now. Because color pie limitations are for Boros.
It's fine that Blue gets removal that match their identities, in this case it's transformation.
The real problem here is Blue doesn't need additional support as much as other colors (such as white and Boros) needing ramps and draw.
MaRo considers it a mistake/break
oo11 asked:
People are calling Ravenform a break. Is it?
Here's what I can say about Ravenform. Magic is a game made by a lot of very smart people. Many decisions happen after lengthy and meaningful discussions between them. Ravenform affecting artifacts was one such topic. If the decision was mine and mine alone to make, I wouldn't have had it affect artifacts.
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