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Post by SecretInfiltrator » 3 years ago

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Shattered Realms has the most votes, no ties. Do we want to pick the top 8 and runoff, or does 7 votes from 7 people seem decisive?
That's not how run-offs work. How do you know that Shattered Realms got 7 votes by being everyone's favorite rather than in the same group as a really unpopular one (in this case Five Families)? The most approved planes may all three be in the same group and get an equal split.

Any proposal for a short list that doesn't include every option with the most votes from every group could miss a top-pick, so the minimum short list is the following:

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High-artifact plane (4)
Cultural Revolution (5)
Kiora's Meditation plane (5)
Law Magic Plane (4)
muraganda (4)
ravnica vs phyrexians (6)
The Shattered Realm (7)
Cave World (4)
Five Families (3)
Shandalar: Astral Dominion (5)
Mirrodin Pure (4)
Righteous War (5)


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Ocean World (5)
Animal World (4)
Steampunk (5)
Megastructures (3)
Druidic World (6)
Innistrad Frozen Over (5)
Epic fantasy world (5)
World of temperature extremes (4)
Wildlands of Theros (5)
Pure Phyrexia (4)
Marit Lage Awakens (6)
Space Set (4)

  • Cultural Revolution
  • Kiora's Meditation plane
  • ravnica vs phyrexians
  • The Shattered Realm
  • Shandalar: Astral Dominion
  • Righteous War
  • Ocean World
  • Steampunk
  • Druidic World
  • Epic fantasy world
  • Wildlands of Theros
  • Marit Lage Awakens
It's twelve rather than eight, but the nice thing about approval voting is that you are not restricted in your number of votes, so more options should have no spoiler effect. Just pick a list of these you like (any number) and you're good. : )
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Post by Krishnath » 3 years ago

Just one question before I vote then, can we vote for our own entries?
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Post by void_nothing » 3 years ago

I think in this stage we're meant to vote for anything, including our own ideas, we'd be happy with. Otherwise the results start to come out odd.

I think the easiest way to do it is copy and paste the whole column and then remove the sets you personally would not like to work on for this project.

My slate:

Kiora's Meditation plane
The Shattered Realm
Steampunk
Druidic World
Epic fantasy world
Marit Lage Awakens
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Post by spacemonaut » 3 years ago

void_nothing wrote:
3 years ago
@spacemonaut is more familiar with this idea but the notion is basically just to post a list of which out of the top 8 we would favor right?
Yes, that's it. Voters simply say "I'd be happy working on these worlds:" and list as few as 1 or as many as "all of them".

Candidates should genuinely consider which ones they consider reasonably good and vote for all of those. Your top favourite may not win, but the goal is that there's a very good chance that whatever gets picked, it's probably one you'll be happy with.

This works as long as everyone votes sincerely. If people vote tactically it breaks down. Tactical voting means trying to engineer a specific winner via your votes. In approval voting that usually means leaving out options you'd be genuinely happy with in order to try to make your favorite win. As long as folks focus on just assessing "I'd be happy with these" and are genuinely open to seeing how things unfold, things should be fine.

This works better than instant runoff voting at this stage because instant runoff tends to mean that once two options pull slightly ahead or once there appear to be 2-3 options that will probably win, people only vote for those and do not vote for alternatives because it looks like one of those two will win and it becomes about picking which one of those two will win. This invalidates third and fourth options which may have been the real most popular options.

Approval voting is more about discovering what folks are genuinely happy with and is much better suited to discovering those third and fourth options. It's great for this collaborative scenario where that's literally what you're looking for and people will be fine and cooperative over the voting system.
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I think the easiest way to do it is copy and paste the whole column and then remove the sets you personally would not like to work on for this project.
Yes absolutely, and yes voting for your own stuff is fine and should not be avoided.

NB also: Approval votes are unordered. There is not an order of preference. Visually, you're trying to find something like the biggest overlap in the Venn diagram.
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Post by Krishnath » 3 years ago

void_nothing wrote:
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I think in this stage we're meant to vote for anything, including our own ideas, we'd be happy with. Otherwise the results start to come out odd.

I think the easiest way to do it is copy and paste the whole column and then remove the sets you personally would not like to work on for this project.
Sounds good.


Votes, in no particular order of preference:

The Shattered Realm
Ocean World
Steam Punk
Druidic World
Epic Fantasy World
Marit Lage Awakens
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Post by MonoRedMage » 3 years ago

Cultural Revolution
ravnica vs phyrexians
Druidic World
Epic fantasy world
Marit Lage Awakens

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Post by folding_music » 3 years ago

Cultural Revolution
The Shattered Realm
Ocean World
Steampunk
Marit Lage Awakens

are my faves <3 I've been staying out of the thread cos I have no takes whatsoever on vote methodology

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Post by dangerousdice » 3 years ago

well, here we go!

ravnica vs phyrexians
The Shattered Realm
Righteous War

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Post by void_nothing » 3 years ago

After this is decided, by the way, we may have to make multiple threads off the bat so we can do simultaneous work. I know I want to have a Creative thread so we can do, among other things, the official set name and story at the same time the design work's being done.
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Post by dangerousdice » 3 years ago

void_nothing wrote:
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After this is decided, by the way, we may have to make multiple threads off the bat so we can do simultaneous work. I know I want to have a Creative thread so we can do, among other things, the official set name and story at the same time the design work's being done.
I second this.

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Post by Feyd_Ruin » 3 years ago

SecretInfiltrator wrote:
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That's not how run-offs work
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Ravnica v Phyrexians
Shattered realm
Shandalar
Righteous War
Marit Lage Awakens

I almost want to take Marit Lage off, compared to some of these, but I don't want to admit my ideas sucked :laugh:
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Post by Venedrex » 3 years ago

Cultural Revolution
The Shattered Realm
Ocean World
Steampunk
Druidic World
Epic fantasy world
void_nothing wrote:
3 years ago
After this is decided, by the way, we may have to make multiple threads off the bat so we can do simultaneous work. I know I want to have a Creative thread so we can do, among other things, the official set name and story at the same time the design work's being done.
Great idea!
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I almost want to take Marit Lage off, compared to some of these, but I don't want to admit my ideas sucked
Right there with you. :grin:
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Post by dangerousdice » 3 years ago

nevermind.
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Post by void_nothing » 3 years ago

I'm not sure how you got those figures considering there were only seven voters. In reality it looks like this so far -

Cultural Revolution - 3
Kiora's Meditation plane - 1
ravnica vs phyrexians - 3
The Shattered Realm - 6
Shandalar: Astral Dominion - 1
Righteous War - 2
Ocean World - 3
Steampunk - 4
Druidic World - 4
Epic fantasy world - 4
Wildlands of Theros - 0
Marit Lage Awakens - 5

And at least two participants haven't weighed in yet, @SecretInfiltrator and @spacemonaut who's joining us late. Shattered Realm is still in the lead but other ideas could still beat it out.
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Post by SecretInfiltrator » 3 years ago

  • ravnica vs phyrexians
  • Shandalar: Astral Dominion
  • Steampunk
  • Wildlands of Theros
  • Marit Lage Awakens
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  • Cultural Revolution 3
  • Kiora's Meditation plane 1
  • ravnica vs phyrexians 4
  • The Shattered Realm 6
  • Shandalar: Astral Dominion 2
  • Righteous War 2
  • Ocean World 3
  • Steampunk 5
  • Druidic World 4
  • Epic fantasy world 4
  • Wildlands of Theros 1
  • Marit Lage Awakens 6
I almost want to take Marit Lage off, compared to some of these, but I don't want to admit my ideas sucked :laugh:
They say about the proposal with the second most votes tied for most votes...

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Post by spacemonaut » 3 years ago

void_nothing wrote:
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And at least two participants haven't weighed in yet, @SecretInfiltrator and @spacemonaut who's joining us late. Shattered Realm is still in the lead but other ideas could still beat it out.
I'm not intending to join the set creation exercise, just wanted to drop by and mention stuff about voting systems. I'm content just sticking to one-off cards here and there. A set creation project might be a bit much for me on account of Life Things(tm).

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Post by Venedrex » 3 years ago

OK, since it appears we have a tie between Marit Lage Awakens and the Shattered Realm, how do we want to proceed? Should we each vote for our favorite between the two options?
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Post by dangerousdice » 3 years ago

Venedrex wrote:
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OK, since it appears we have a tie between Marit Lage Awakens and the Shattered Realm, how do we want to proceed? Should we each vote for our favorite between the two options?
I believe that's a good idea!

if we do end up going for that, my votes on shattered realm.

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Post by void_nothing » 3 years ago

Marit Lage Awakens in the runoff for me.
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Post by Krishnath » 3 years ago

Shattered Realm in the Runoff for me.
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Post by MonoRedMage » 3 years ago

I'm going to go for Shattered Realm.

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Post by SecretInfiltrator » 3 years ago

Marit Lage Awakens. Unsurprisingly.

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Post by folding_music » 3 years ago

voting is torture x3 I'll tiebreak, otherwise I just wanna get started!

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Shattered Realm in the runoff for me.
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Post by Krishnath » 3 years ago

There are now four votes for "Shattered Realm", and since @folding_music will only vote in a tie-break, the other option can only reach three votes. So, it is safe to proceed to the next step, yeah?
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