Koda, the Scrapping Iron
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Koda, the Scrapping Iron
Legendary Creature - Faerie Warrior (R)
Defender
Equipped creatures you control get +0/+1.
: Choose target Equipment you control. You may pay its equip cost. If you do, create a 0/0 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token, then attach that Equipment to it.
I have arms enough to fight the world.
Any thoughts welcome.
Legendary Creature - Faerie Warrior (R)
Defender
Equipped creatures you control get +0/+1.
: Choose target Equipment you control. You may pay its equip cost. If you do, create a 0/0 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token, then attach that Equipment to it.
I have arms enough to fight the world.
Any thoughts welcome.
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First, I'm shocked "equip cost" is viable rules text.
Moving on, that sac trigger is surprisingly tricky. It needs to be a trigger but it needs an intervening if clause so thst it can actually function.
"When this permanent is not equipped, if it is not equipped, then sacrifice it."
You need the if because you are creating the token then equipping. Its trigger condition will be true the moment it is created. So you need the if clause so it checks when it resolves to see it its equipped.
Moving on, that sac trigger is surprisingly tricky. It needs to be a trigger but it needs an intervening if clause so thst it can actually function.
"When this permanent is not equipped, if it is not equipped, then sacrifice it."
You need the if because you are creating the token then equipping. Its trigger condition will be true the moment it is created. So you need the if clause so it checks when it resolves to see it its equipped.
: choose target equipment you control. You may pay , where X is its equip cost. If you do create a 0/1 blue and red spirit artifact creature token with "When this permanent is not equipped, if it is not equipped, then sacrifice it." Then attach that equipment to it.
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JovialJovian Captain, I object!
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I would say:
"When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it."
Fully, since we're acknowledging that Equip Cost is a viable value for an ability to query, I would phrase the ability thus:
: Create a 0/1 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token with "When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it." and attach target equipment you control with equip cost X to that token.
The ability has a target, so you can't just pump out tokens, you need equipment to target, because it has only one target, it fizzles if the equipment gets removed, so you don't get the token when there's nothing to attach to it. So it delivers the exact same result, but is slightly more concise.
I am concerned that his 2nd ability may be too strong. It bypasses equip costs, and allows you to attach opponent's equipment to Kona.
"When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it."
Fully, since we're acknowledging that Equip Cost is a viable value for an ability to query, I would phrase the ability thus:
: Create a 0/1 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token with "When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it." and attach target equipment you control with equip cost X to that token.
The ability has a target, so you can't just pump out tokens, you need equipment to target, because it has only one target, it fizzles if the equipment gets removed, so you don't get the token when there's nothing to attach to it. So it delivers the exact same result, but is slightly more concise.
I am concerned that his 2nd ability may be too strong. It bypasses equip costs, and allows you to attach opponent's equipment to Kona.
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As I mentioned this doesn't work. You create the token, its tigger condition is met. Then you equip the equipment. Then its tigger ability is put on the stack and you sacrifice the token. That is why you need an "If", so the game checks on trigger and resolution.
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JovialJovian Captain, I object!
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Hm, but you can have it enter the battlefield with the equipment attached to it, can't you?user_938036 wrote: ↑3 years agoAs I mentioned this doesn't work. You create the token, its tigger condition is met. Then you equip the equipment. Then its tigger ability is put on the stack and you sacrifice the token. That is why you need an "If", so the game checks on trigger and resolution.
: Create a 0/1 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token with "When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it." with target equipment you control with equip cost X attached to it.
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: Create a 0/1 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token with "When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it." As that token enters the battlefield, attach target equipment you control with equip cost X to it.
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Thank you for your help on this. I'm actually surprised Auriok Steelshaper is the only card to reference the term, it might be some space worth exploring. I made the change over to your wording, but I'm still open to other solutions. It's a shame that an ability that seems so obvious from a flavor POV is so hard to execute mechanically but so it goes.user_938036 wrote: ↑3 years agoFirst, I'm shocked "equip cost" is viable rules text.
Moving on, that sac trigger is surprisingly tricky. It needs to be a trigger but it needs an intervening if clause so thst it can actually function.
"When this permanent is not equipped, if it is not equipped, then sacrifice it."
You need the if because you are creating the token then equipping. Its trigger condition will be true the moment it is created. So you need the if clause so it checks when it resolves to see it its equipped.
: choose target equipment you control. You may pay , where X is its equip cost. If you do create a 0/1 blue and red spirit artifact creature token with "When this permanent is not equipped, if it is not equipped, then sacrifice it." Then attach that equipment to it.
The second ability is a more restricted Magnetic Theft, it didn't seem overly powerful to me but maybe a little undercosted. Maybe I could bump it up to ?JovialJovian wrote: ↑3 years agoI would say:
"When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it."
Fully, since we're acknowledging that Equip Cost is a viable value for an ability to query, I would phrase the ability thus:
: Create a 0/1 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token with "When this creature is not equipped, sacrifice it." and attach target equipment you control with equip cost X to that token.
The ability has a target, so you can't just pump out tokens, you need equipment to target, because it has only one target, it fizzles if the equipment gets removed, so you don't get the token when there's nothing to attach to it. So it delivers the exact same result, but is slightly more concise.
I am concerned that his 2nd ability may be too strong. It bypasses equip costs, and allows you to attach opponent's equipment to Kona.
EDIT: Decided to make the trigger exile rather than sacrifice, it feels more correct. Perhaps I should just make the tokens last until EoT or next upkeep? for cleanliness sake and to further tension between his two abilities.
: Create a 0/1 blue or a 1/0 red Spirit creature token and attach target Equipment you control to it. The token gains, "When this creature isn't equipped, exile it."
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JovialJovian Captain, I object!
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Ah, the difference is in the repeatability of the effect. Magnetic Theft is one and done, Kona can just do it over and over, even many times in the same turn. When you turn a spell effect into an ability, you usually need to add to it's cost or place some other limitation on it to keep it balanced. A is a common way of limiting an activated ability, as is restricting the times when the ability can be activated "any time you could activate a sorcery," or simply increasing the mana cost, or some combination of additions.caulkwrangler wrote: ↑3 years agoThe second ability is a more restricted Magnetic Theft, it didn't seem overly powerful to me but maybe a little undercosted. Maybe I could bump it up to ?
I would make it cost more and limit it to only be activated during your turn, but that's personal preference, there are myriad small changes that could be made.
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Good points, thank you for the advice. Maybe something like this would be less worrisome (in a few ways):JovialJovian wrote: ↑3 years agoAh, the difference is in the repeatability of the effect. Magnetic Theft is one and done, Kona can just do it over and over, even many times in the same turn. When you turn a spell effect into an ability, you usually need to add to it's cost or place some other limitation on it to keep it balanced. A is a common way of limiting an activated ability, as is restricting the times when the ability can be activated "any time you could activate a sorcery," or simply increasing the mana cost, or some combination of additions.caulkwrangler wrote: ↑3 years agoThe second ability is a more restricted Magnetic Theft, it didn't seem overly powerful to me but maybe a little undercosted. Maybe I could bump it up to ?
I would make it cost more and limit it to only be activated during your turn, but that's personal preference, there are myriad small changes that could be made.
Koda, the Scrapping Iron
Legendary Creature - Faerie Warrior (R)
Defender
Equipped creatures you control get +0/+1.
: Choose target Equipment you control and pay , where X is equal to its equip cost. Create a 0/0 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token, then attach that Equipment to it.
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Looking over the possibilities, the ability as worded is confusing with colored equip costs or worse non-mana equip costs. Its an easy fix.
Dropping the sac trigger makes the ability a lot cleaner. The problem of having an anthem out and making lots of tokens doesn't seem like a problem in these colors.Choose target Equipment you control, you may pay its equip cost. If you do, create a 0/0 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token, attach that Equipment to it.
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I agree on both points. Card updated.user_938036 wrote: ↑3 years agoLooking over the possibilities, the ability as worded is confusing with colored equip costs or worse non-mana equip costs. Its an easy fix.
Dropping the sac trigger makes the ability a lot cleaner. The problem of having an anthem out and making lots of tokens doesn't seem like a problem in these colors.Choose target Equipment you control, you may pay its equip cost. If you do, create a 0/0 blue and red Spirit artifact creature token, attach that Equipment to it.