With a Scion of the Ur-Dragon in play I activate it's ability, then I do so again while the first activation is on the stack. I allow the second activation to resolve, putting a Hellkite Tyrant in the graveyard and Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of it.
Now, with the second activation resolved and the first activation still on the stack, I do something to interact with the freshly copied Hellkite Tyrant at instant speed - for example casting Call the Coppercoats and responding with a Mystic Reflection targeting the Hellkite Tyrant copy so that a pile of dragons enter instead of soldiers. At this point I allow the first Scion of the Ur-Dragon activation to resolve. Does it fizzle because Scion of the Ur-Dragon is now a copy of Hellkite Tyrant, or does it still resolve allowing me to do something silly like put a Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund in my graveyard and have Scion of the Ur-Dragon become a copy of it instead of Hellkite Tyrant before attacking?
Hope that's at least somewhat clear.
Stacking Scion of the Ur-Dragon triggers
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The more traditional interaction for this is with Moltensteel Dragon and Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon That is, you get Moltensteel first, pump it up, then get Skittles and give it Infect.
This example is more to reinforce the idea that, yes, you can do what you just did above (though, what you are doing is a bit flashier). The ability still comes from Scion and, even though it is a copy of something else now, it is still the same object so the second (or third or fourth) activation still works as normal.
As you mention, you do need to do this in response to the previous activations. Once one resolves you can't do anymore since it loses the ability to activate but as long as they are all put onto the stack before any resolve, they will work as normal and you are free to act in between the activations resolving.
Go to full postThis example is more to reinforce the idea that, yes, you can do what you just did above (though, what you are doing is a bit flashier). The ability still comes from Scion and, even though it is a copy of something else now, it is still the same object so the second (or third or fourth) activation still works as normal.
As you mention, you do need to do this in response to the previous activations. Once one resolves you can't do anymore since it loses the ability to activate but as long as they are all put onto the stack before any resolve, they will work as normal and you are free to act in between the activations resolving.
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The more traditional interaction for this is with Moltensteel Dragon and Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon That is, you get Moltensteel first, pump it up, then get Skittles and give it Infect.
This example is more to reinforce the idea that, yes, you can do what you just did above (though, what you are doing is a bit flashier). The ability still comes from Scion and, even though it is a copy of something else now, it is still the same object so the second (or third or fourth) activation still works as normal.
As you mention, you do need to do this in response to the previous activations. Once one resolves you can't do anymore since it loses the ability to activate but as long as they are all put onto the stack before any resolve, they will work as normal and you are free to act in between the activations resolving.
This example is more to reinforce the idea that, yes, you can do what you just did above (though, what you are doing is a bit flashier). The ability still comes from Scion and, even though it is a copy of something else now, it is still the same object so the second (or third or fourth) activation still works as normal.
As you mention, you do need to do this in response to the previous activations. Once one resolves you can't do anymore since it loses the ability to activate but as long as they are all put onto the stack before any resolve, they will work as normal and you are free to act in between the activations resolving.
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Ha, that's cute.WizardMN wrote: ↑3 years agoThe more traditional interaction for this is with Moltensteel Dragon and Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon That is, you get Moltensteel first, pump it up, then get Skittles and give it Infect.
I made a new thread for this question for ease of searching and reference, but in reality it's related to my Mirror Entity/Mirrorweave question from the other thread. In addition to the interaction in this OP I'm looking to stack scion triggers, mirrorweave something nasty like a Hellkite Tyrant in between them, then get something like Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund or Silumgar, the Drifting Death with the final trigger. Build your own Insurrection or one sided Toxic Deluge ya know. EDIT: it just hit me like a ton of bricks that Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund ability to gain control of all dragons is on ETB and thus wouldn't work with Scion. Whoops.
I chuckled at your Moltensteel Dragon example precisely because it's another example of messing with base p/t before changing the creature entirely. Fun stuff.
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Ah, yeah, I figured you were using Karrthus for the haste so you could attack with all your new Dragons; the ETB won't do you much good (though, at some point you are just being greedy if an army of 6/5 Dragons with haste isn't enough )
In regards to the Moltensteel Dragon example, it doesn't mess with the base p/t. I don't want to be overly pedantic here as I know what you are referring to, but I want to make sure you have the right info in case it might come up. Or in case someone else comes across this thread.
Its ability applies in layer 7c whereas the base p/t is 7b. While it doesn't make any difference in the current discussion it does if something like Humble was cast on the creature. Humble sets the base p/t and since Moltensteel's effect is a modifier to the p/t (rather than setting it) it still gets to apply on top of Humble's effect. In contrast, if you activated Mirror Entity for X=3 and then someone casts Humble, Humble wins out since they apply in the same sublayer and it resolved last. That isn't the case with the Dragon since its effect applies in a slightly later sublayer so the p/t boost will always get to apply.
In regards to the Moltensteel Dragon example, it doesn't mess with the base p/t. I don't want to be overly pedantic here as I know what you are referring to, but I want to make sure you have the right info in case it might come up. Or in case someone else comes across this thread.
Its ability applies in layer 7c whereas the base p/t is 7b. While it doesn't make any difference in the current discussion it does if something like Humble was cast on the creature. Humble sets the base p/t and since Moltensteel's effect is a modifier to the p/t (rather than setting it) it still gets to apply on top of Humble's effect. In contrast, if you activated Mirror Entity for X=3 and then someone casts Humble, Humble wins out since they apply in the same sublayer and it resolved last. That isn't the case with the Dragon since its effect applies in a slightly later sublayer so the p/t boost will always get to apply.