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by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

So...to run discard or not to run discard? Best 1 cmc black spells in modern are inquisition and thoughtseize period. If were playing black, why isnt it a concensus to play 2 iok 2 ts main at least? Ive heard people say "this is proactive abd were reactive" and so what if the card is not ...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

The biggest problem with being on Esper right now is veil of summer. When people expect control or Jund to be around they side 3ish of these and it feels really bad. That's why I dropped off of Esper, everyone at my LGS started siding 3-4 Veils and it just became very unfun to play against real fast...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Lands (25) 4x Polluted Delta 4x Flooded Strand 1x Swamp 1x Plains 3x Island 1x Mystic Sanctuary 2x Creeping Tar Pit 1x Glacial Fortress 2x Hallowed Fountain 2x Watery Grave 2x Celestial Colonnade 2x Drowned Catacomb Creatures (4) 4x Snapcaster Mage Spells (31) 3x Path to Exile 3x Fatal Push 2x Drow...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Jizard wrote:
4 years ago
Also came up against T2 Oko.................... utterly miserable.

Need some new answers. Either Mystical Dispute for 1 CMC counter or perhaps the discard package.
What do ppl think?
Discard feels bad. The number of Veils is going up and up and it destroys discard.
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I am adding Castle Locthwain in place of Field of Ruin. I feel like we need more durable late-game card advantage, which probably seems silly if you're playing 8Charm but I don't play Archmage's Charm . There were a couple games last week where I was digging for a wincon and they had settled to the...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I have Guile back in the board. I like that over Timely Reinforcements. I'm interested in what Liquimetal coating can do and yeah, I need more tricks to grab with Karn besides Lattice. This may seem like sacrilege, but I was not impressed at all with Jace last night. He's done good work in the past...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I am amazed at all of these writeups where you guys remember what was in your opponents' hands. I don't have that kind of memory, but I'll just add that Drown in the Loch is the truth! That card did so much work for me last night it was crazy. I never felt the need to build in discard beyond Though...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Did okay again tonight. Got Mana screwed twice or I would have gone undefeated :C Round 1 Urza Ascendancy Combo: 2-0 Game 1: He mulled to six. I won the die roll and t1 Thoughtseize revealing Astrolabe, Emry, Outcome, Bauble, Strand and Strand. Took the Emry. T3 I countered another. Then t4 Karn got...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

3-1 3rd place today again with Esper Karntrol but the EE I was borrowing I didn't have this time. I also put in a Blast Zone again over the 2nd Sanctuary I was running. Not having the EE lost me a match. I was so upset but otherwise the deck was great. R1 Infect. 2-1 Game 1: Kept a decent hand. IoK ...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I don't think KGC has a place in esper control. If you want to play a control deck with KGC, try U Tron. That being said, I would be interested in seeing your list. Honestly I was iffy on it too at first. I saw a list from the 5-0 dump running 3 and I thought there was no way but it was surprisingl...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I tried Karn tGC + Wishboard this week and got 3rd place lost 1 match to bant spirits in game 3 he had the t2 geist :C. Beat another Bant Spirit, Grixis Shadow and Boros Burn. Was a ton of fun to lattice people
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I mean, I'm not STATING that the card is powerful and that should be run 100%. What I'm skeptical about is your reasoning. Like, just to make an example, evaluating that a card is "bad" against Grixis Shadow because "it often doesn't hit Delve cards" when it basically counters e...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

People tend to provide arguments to decide if a card is worth it or otherwise. I had the same exact experience as Annihilator in testing and tournaments. Playing some games and deciding out of nowhere that "the card isn't good" isn't the way you should valuate cards. I think when evaluati...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I am more interested in Mystic Sanctuary though, might be enough to have a field of ruin or two dropped in place of it though. Extra recursion in a grindy game can never be bad. Especially if you have been forced to play removal on every turn, if not more than once. Trust me play at least one. This...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

So... the jury is still out in Drown in the Loch? Seems like we have a mix of "it's amazing" and "it's not great". I still haven't played the card, I'm letting Friday drafts supply it for me in the long run. I think we need to talk about what decks it's specifically good against...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys! With all of that discard main, why no Drown in the Loch ? Surely it's better than at least the Mana Leak? With Sanctuary, do you feel like the 3rd Snap is still necessary? Why Search for Azcanta ? I tested Loch for a while but my problem with the card is th...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

We got the 4-0 tonight :) 1st place feels great. Planeswalkers: 5 1 Teferi, Hero of Dominaria 2 Jace the Mind Sculptor 2 Teferi, Time Raveler Creatures: 3 3 Snapcaster Mage Instants: 20 4 Cryptic Command 3 Esper Charm 2 Kaya's Guile 1 Mana Leak 1 Logic Knot 4 Opt 3 Fatal Push 2 Path to Exile Sorceri...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Thanks for the Plague Engineer recommendation! My FNM experience was not very successful but I learned a little about the deck. I got flooded a couple times and then in another match I never saw a black mana symbol. I was also running Terminus in the SB and the three times I brought them in I drew ...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Hi all - new to the board but have enjoyed reading all these great posts! I am taking my first modern Esper build to FNM and I'm excited and nervous. While Stoneblade is not exactly taking the meta by storm, I feel like that is a completely unwinnable matchup. I've seen builds on mtgtop that jam 14...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

TheAnnihilator wrote:
4 years ago
Super interesting stuff. Is there a way to include sideboards on the spreadsheet as well?

I'll use this to update the primer's stock list when I can.
There are a few tabs for the sideboards too :p just not a combined one yet.
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Great work on that sheet! Its interesting to see all the deck lists like that, especially seeing 4 Esper Charms in most lists. Wonder what the reasoning behind so many Drowned catacombs is as opposed to a Creeping Tarpit and so many lists running so many multiples of JTMS. Not surprised at the numb...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control



I made a sheet with all the major tournament lists post ban and the average number of copies of each card in the deck :o so we can track the "standard" build and any trends :3
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

For mono-red prowess and burn I have 2 Guile and 2 Kaya main. This does a few things, it makes it harder for them to actually kill you with a stable source of life gain, it makes it hard for them to get any Phoenixs on board because of grave hate and it makes it hard for them to get in with attacker...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Gods_Shadow played an interesting take on Esper. I haven't tried the Vryn's or Prohibits but the rest of it is stuff I've played and liked so far. Looks pretty interesting. Planeswalker (4) 2 Kaya, Orzhov Usurper 2 Teferi, Time Raveler Creature (7) 3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 1 Plague Engineer 3 Snapcast...
by A Cute Bunny
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 79028

Re: [Deck] Esper Draw-Go Control

To whom it may concern, here is a list that 5-0ed recently: https://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=31146&iddeck=266324 Interesting to see other ppl cutting down on Charms. I have not been a fan of then either so I cut them entirely. The mana requirements have been an issue far too often. Yeah, the...

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