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by GenesisEffect80
3 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Is See the Truth a playable card in Modern? Seems like a great interaction with Snap but slow from the hand. Late game for more gas is good.
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Titans made Thought Scour that much more unnecessary. Drown should be even better now. Kaya's Guile too.
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Pioneer
Topic: [Official] State of Pioneer Thread (B&R 12/16/2019)
Replies: 439
Views: 86263

Re: [Official] State of Pioneer Thread (B&R 12/16/2019)

Meh if it's isn't common knowledge i'd chalk it up to rumor. Someone at my LGS was talking about it as thought it were a well known fact. Whther it's fact or rumor, the existince of Pioneer is an acknowledgment of Magic's biggest problem: thousands of cards that are not good enough to play in a leg...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Pioneer
Topic: Abzan Gods
Replies: 0
Views: 2238

Abzan Gods

This is not a primer. This is not a good deck. Creatures 2 Anafenza, the Foremost 1 Athreos, God of Passage 2 Arboreal Grazer 2 Bontu the Glorified 2 Gilded Goose 2 Tireless Tracker 2 Kunoros, Hound of Athreos 4 Llanowar Elves 3 Murderous Rider 3 Rhonas the Indomitable 2 Rotting Regisaur 2 Voice of ...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I honestly think playing 3-4 Drown is viable. In many cases it is a clean counterspell and functions very good in creature MUs, too. I run 4 and I enjoy them. Its main weakness is Rest in Piece, which does not see that much play atm. Drown is going to be amazing in Standard with TBD. Dimir kinda su...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I'm not giving up on Esper - too much invested. But it feels like a good time to experiment. Kunoros, Hound of Athreos looks like promising tech for a more mid-rangy build.
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I like Oko, but I hate both Urza and Veil. I honestly think Veil was an egregious design mistake. Totally agree on Veil. That card has three sentences. Pick any one of them and make that the effect, and it's powerful but fair. Any two are OP, and all three together are format-defining. It might as ...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Oko is still a huge problem on his own, since he makes a 3/3 every other turn with no mana investment past his initial cast. They plus for a food, and then elk their own food token. Both abilities are also a plus, so pressuring with manlands both takes forever and opens us up to a resolved Urza. Th...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

To awake this thread from its slumber: What is your guys opinion on Esper's positioning right now? IMO and to my experience, we kinda struggle vs. Urza and Oko decks, for the latter I am planning to pack 1-2 Nixious Grasp in the side. However, Field of the Dead seems rough for us, any ideas to hand...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Decklists
Topic: Edgar Markov
Replies: 7
Views: 2129

Re: Edgar Markov

Here's my current Eddie deck. While not as recklessly fast as some of the junk creature builds that are trying to be cEDH, all of these creatures meaningfully contribute, and the curve is fast enough to take advantage of Edgar's efficiency. I've packed in several theme-appropriate sacrifice engines ...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

aklepatzky wrote:
4 years ago
Resolved PW are indeed a problem. That's why I'm running 2 tar pits to help the early pressure.
There's always Psionic Blast.
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

It doesn't only kill burn. I hate having to discard more than anything, and for the handful of decks that play discard I am prepared. I like the card. My local meta is not very predictable. Nobody plays Tron by me. I haven't run in to Urza yet. People play burn, prowess, humans, sultai, titanshift, ...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Leyline ? That seems so bad tbh. Why would we run that card and no other control list ever has? I guess its bad if you don't like having two decks scoop before T1. For the cost of one card it kills discard, burn, Valakut, 8rack, Walking Ballista. Why are we judging what we run based on what other c...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I take it you mean Spell Pierce ? Because Spell Snare doesn't help against Oko, Thief of Crowns . Yes, thanks. And your points about Veil of Summer are very well taken. If our opponent is impatient we can take advantage, but if they wait just one extra turn to cast Oko then they can back it up with...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Also came up against T2 Oko.................... utterly miserable. Need some new answers. Either Mystical Dispute for 1 CMC counter or perhaps the discard package. What do ppl think? Unmoored Ego post board... I think that between Force of Negation and Thoughtseize, and perhaps Spell Snare, if we k...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I think Azcanta is far better then the castles. Spellbomb is nice but Tormonds crypt is better most of the time since its 0 mana and you can play it on 4. We can agree to diasagree. The Castles drawback is minimal, imo, and it seems like the black one was made with Esper Draw-Go in mind. Anyway, I'...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

With regards to this list im going to try this tuesday (I made a few changes in the main and sb: replaced damnation with supreme veredict and removed the single copy of FoR for the 2nd copy of Colonnade. In the side I added Lyra and Kalitas with one free slot yet) My recommendation based on my loca...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I think Field of Ruin isn't as useful at this stage in the overall meta at the moment, so I have cut mine out entirely. At the moment, I much prefer running clean mana that gives me the colours I need rather than a generic colour, because early on if i need X or Y colour, Field doesn't help me in g...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Well, I take notes. Mostly little ones on what I am playing, how many times people mulled. If there was any flooding or mana screw on either side. What cards I see in their hand. If I did or didn't see a card like Kaya's Guile against Burn and if either side made a big misplay. I have played 6 main...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I am amazed at all of these writeups where you guys remember what was in your opponents' hands. I don't have that kind of memory, but I'll just add that Drown in the Loch is the truth! That card did so much work for me last night it was crazy. I never felt the need to build in discard beyond Thought...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

(Trying out the cool "Deck" tag for the first time!) Here's the list I'm bringing to FNM tomorrow. I'm not in love with Karn but I own the combo so no harm in giving it a try. My LGS meta tends towards aggro. Lands 1 Blast Zone 1 Celestial Colonnade 2 Creeping Tar Pit 3 Polluted Delta 4 Fl...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

I think you have too many Snapcasters (same for Jeremy), they bring good flexibility but a mit full of them is not awesome. Think of it this way, Snapcaster adds 2cmc to every card it touches. Do you want to add four 3cmc Opts to your list? What about 6cmc Cryptics? I would err on the x2 side of th...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

Don't forget that the GY count is almost always at least 1 due to fetch by the time Drown comes online for us, and very likely 2 if we have used any T1 discard/counter/removal. That hits a lot of targets in Modern! Pretty obviously, Drown was developed to work in a meta where Faithless Looting was p...
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

A Cute Bunny wrote:
4 years ago
Hope this helps. If you have any other questions or want your list reviewed feel free to ask~.
Thanks! I will take you up on your offer.

Ever-changing Esper deck
by GenesisEffect80
4 years ago
Forum: Control
Topic: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control
Replies: 373
Views: 78948

Re: [Primer] Esper Draw-Go Control

There are two kinds of "stoneblade" decks: Those that want to be a control deck, which are both bad and popular, and there are those that want to be a midrange deck. Thank you, Amalek0! I reread your post four times to make sure I understood it all - so much excellent analysis! Are we boa...

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